Seppius and Seppia – Episodes 2.03, 2.04, 2.05

Like the title? Pretty clever, I thought. My wit never fails to astound me.

Firstly: my entries on episodes 2.01 Fugitivus and 2.02 A Place In This World.

 

 

Secondly: the more I look at Liam, the more I like him. I thought he was good-looking at first, but I think he’s gorgeous now. Every time he’s on screen I’m just drooling. I seriously did not feel that way after watching Fugitivus.So, this is long, long, long overdue. I’ve been distracted. Let’s dive right in:

Episode 2.03 The Greater Good doesn’t yield much, but I felt it would behoove me to be thorough.

While attending games at the arena, Seppia finds herself in a conversation with Lucretia and Ilithyia which is rather similar to the one she had with Ilithyia in episode 2. Ilithyia doesn’t have much of an appetite due to her morning sickness, and Seppia expresses that she doesn’t think too highly of pregnancy or motherhood.Lucretia tries to explain that it is the greatest joy a woman can know, but Seppia thinks that to be wanted by every man is far better. Marriage is the end result of that, Lucretia points out. And Seppia admits that if her husband were rich and handsome and thought of nothing but putting his hands on her, it might be acceptable. This causes Ilithyia some chagrin, as she and Glaber are having a little trouble in the bedroom at the moment.

There’s not much to take away from this in terms of Seppius and Seppia’s relationship that we couldn’t have garnered from Seppia’s conversation with Ilithyia in the episode previous. However, Seppia does look over at Varinius (her brother’s patron of sorts, also Glaber’s enemy in the senate) indicating that if she had to get married, she might consider him for husband.

Though I’d like to point out that Seppius fits her desired traits pretty well.

Seppius arrives for the games, and he and Seppia sit next to each other, but there is no acknowledgement between the two of them.

But finally, with episode 2.04 Empty Hands, we have a winner! Most of the episode takes place during one evening at a party thrown by Glaber. Naturally, Seppius and Seppia are among the guests, and we’re afforded plenty of time to see them interact.Before the Party, Seppia comes to see Lucretia. She reveals that she has been persuaded to find marriage a desirable state, and she intends to snag Varinius.Seppia’s attitude towards marriage is interesting. She seems to believe that she has complete independence as to whether she marries or not, and whom she marries. That it’s 100% her choice. No doubt a girl like her has influence over Seppius and their father, who may or may not be alive. But Seppia doesn’t even mention her familial obligations.

Seppia’s eagerness to marry, and her showing a preference for a specific man, are not good news for us. Clearly whatever is between her and Seppius doesn’t mean anything to her. Or she never thought it would last.

Or…she intends to continue it after her marriage irregardless. (Cersei certainly didn’t consider marriage an obstacle to continuing her liaison with Jaime.)

Well, Ilithyia’s displeasure with her husband has been steadily increasing. In this episode, she has finally reached the point where she is ready to be rid of him, and to replace him with Varinius. Now she finds she has to not only convince her father to make the match, she also has to compete with Seppia for Varinius.

I’m still unclear as to what exactly is the relationship between Varinius and Seppius. Varinius is a man of Rome, a praetor (like Glaber). It seems a bit as if Seppius is like his agent in Capua. But Seppius is hardly his employee. I wish I understood a little bit better.

Varinius, Seppia, and Seppius all arrive together (along with Cossutius, a character from Gods of the Arena who I sincerely hoped to never see again).Glaber and Ilithyia, it would seem, throw a damn good party. They have these performers in the middle of the room, with these gossamer sheets moving around them. We’ve seen similar things, of course (the pilot comes to mind), but I always think it’s awesome.It’s a very sensual display, of course. Lots of licking. This isn’t an orgy (though we’ve seen them on the show before), but I’m sure Ilithyia knows exactly what she’s doing, and intends for the display to put Varinius in “the mood”. Seppia takes a good look at it, and then says, “Truly a feast for the senses.” This causes Seppius to look at her sharply, though it’s not in any way clear what exactly he’s reacting to or why.Glaber makes a speech, giving all due respect to Varinius, of course, though these two just shoot daggers at one another when speaking privately.

Seppia turns to Varinius, and points out how the crowd cheers for him.Seppius again turns to look at her sharplyand then he swallows, and looks down kind of sadly and frustratedly.Not a lot of ambiguity there. It certainly recalled Fugitivus, when Seppia was insulting him relentlessly in the marketplace by pointing out Glaber’s success.

His face makes me so sad! And the fact that he swallows – that shows that he’s truly upset, and it’s not just a passing frustration. He’s suffering! I just keep watching that GIF over and over again. It gives me happy shipper butterflies.

Crixus eventually learns that Naevia is in the infamous mines. This is timed perfectly with Ashur coaxing out of Oenomaus (after telling him about Gannicus and Melitta’s affair) that Crixus is searching for her. Lucretia knows where she is, and, naturally, Glaber’s men arrive at the mines exactly when Spartacus and his band are there.

I was hoping they’d never show the mines. I knew they would be harrowing. The worst part was watching Spartacus leave, unable to free the slaves there.

Crixus, Rhaskos, and another man are captured.

Glaber shows off these three men and Oenomaus at the party proudly.He makes a public gift of them to Varinius, to make up for the fact that in the episode previous, he had insulted him (by sending his men after Spartacus in the mines, instead of bringing them to Varinius’ games).

Varinius accepts the gift.

It was interesting that when Glaber makes mention of relatives killed by Spartacus and his men, there’s a reaction shot to Seppius and Seppia. We know they lost their cousin Sextus, but I find it hard to believe that we’re expected to think they really care about Sextus. I just thought it was strange. I’d have kept it on Lucretia the whole time. She’s the one who lost everything.

It’s expected for Varinius to slay the men right there. Everyone, but especially Seppia, looks pretty excited at the prospect. But Varinius decides to save the men and have them face off the arena. Glaber should have done that in the first place, and just dedicated those games to Varinius. So much smarter. Whatever. Now Varinius has one up on him, in front of everyone.

I don’t really like Glaber. I don’t see how anyone could. But I do find myself rooting for him – against Varinius, against Ilithyia and her father. Not against Seppius, though. And not against Spartacus, although his victories over Spartacus are what give him pull in his game of politics, so it’s complicated.

Seppius is insulted by the presence of the men and the rebelliousness still in their eyes. Well, that’s what he says. I’m not sure whether he’s trying to nettle Varinius here. I think he is. Especially since Glaber jumps on board and agrees. Varinius suggests they find a middle ground, and offers one of the men to be executed there during the party. Seppius finds this begrudgingly acceptable, as does Glaber, though he adds that Lucretia should choose the man.We get some nice tension between her and Crixus. She spares him that night, in order to see him suffer more later. In retrospect, she should have chosen him.It’s pretty clear at this point that Seppius has no love for Varinius. There was some discord between them in earlier episodes as Seppius failure to apprehend Spartacus and put down the rebellion continued, but Seppius seems to hate him now and I can only assume that Seppia is a factor.

Seppius steps aside, so that Glaber can make the announcement, and Lucretia can make her selection. He looks over at Seppia, and she frowns.His expression might be called smug, though I think there’s a chance he’s not darting her a pleased-with-himself look as much as he’s taking a glimpse at her to gauge her reaction. He does seem to think he’s won something. But again, it’s not 100% clear whether this is about him v. Varinius, or if it has to do with Spartacus and Sextus and his failure to stop the slave rebellion.

They string the man up in the next room, and Seppius cuts off his tongue. It takes a lot to shock me anymore, but these scenes are pretty gruesome. I think Lucretia would have found Crixus’ suffering sufficient if she had chosen him instead.

The guests take turns slicing and lacerating and stabbing, careful not to injure him so grievously that he dies.

Seppia is constantly on Varinius’ arm, and he returns her flirting in this scene. Ilithyia begins to explain to her father, Albinius, that she wishes for Varinius to be her husband, and he’s against it, also pointing out that Varinius seems to favor the younger Seppia. Lucretia watches this exchange. She gets involved later.

It’s time for the man to die. Varinius hands the knife to Seppia, to finish him off. (I love that Seppius got first blood, and Seppia is given final blood.) She’s unsure at first, and says, “My brother would never allow it.” I think she’s just looking for an excuse because she doesn’t want to do it.Seppius is watching the whole time, and he’s drinking.Look at his face!

He looks furious, but also like he’s about to laugh. He doesn’t say anything. It’s hard to tell if he was supposed to have heard them or not. It’s really hard to describe. On the one hand, he seems at first eager to see what’s about to happen. But on the other hand, he’s clearly distressed as well.Varinius laughs and tells her that his experienced hand will guide her.

The camera shifts back and forth between jealous Ilithyia and jealous Seppius.

Glaber steps up next to Seppius and says, “You do not care for your master’s affections.” Kind of weird. “Master?” Also, the only one getting affection here is Seppia. I just think the phrasing is odd.

But one thing is clear: Seppius is being pretty obvious.

“I’m a slave to no man,” Seppius responds, cool-headedly.“Yet you bow and scrape towards Varinius’ purpose,” Glaber argues. We haven’t really seen this, so I guess we’ll have to take Glaber’s word for it. The only thing I can recall is in the second episode when Glaber suggested combining their men, and Seppius said that he would need Varinius’ to speak to Varinius first.

“He but aids me in pursuit of Spartacus,” Seppius protests calmly.

“I would have done so as well,” Glaber concedes pausing, “…absent attempt to fuck your sister.”

Of course Glaber doesn’t know that Seppia feigned a bit of a crush on him in the first episode. Kind of a rock and a hard place for Seppius, if his sister insists on being so horny.

I’m impressed with Glaber’s intuition. He can tell that Seppius’ displeasure with Varinius largely stems from what’s going on with Seppia. Glaber seems to imply that Varinius doesn’t have good intentions towards Seppia, but for all we know he isn’t just after tail and would consider marrying her. I’m also impressed as Glaber trying to drive a (larger) wedge between Seppius and Varinius. It’s very smart. I hope he and Seppius gang up against Varinius. Let’s send that dude back to Rome.

Well, Seppius takes the jab pretty well at first, but he does get crazy eyes for a flash second.Varinius places the knife for Seppia, and then he backs away and leaves her to do it by herself. She seems excited, and Seppius is watching and I’m not sure what he’s feeling.I seriously don’t know if he’s horrified at what she’s about to do, or think she’s about to lose some of her innocence and he doesn’t like that, or he thinks this is a sign of him losing her to Varinius, or maybe he’s just aroused. I don’t know.

But the dying slave lifts his eyes up to Seppia, and she loses her enthusiasm instantly. She can’t do it. She stands there, wavering and muttering and apologizing for a second.Varinius is extremely disappointed. What a dick. Your new girlfriend doesn’t want to kill a guy? Lose that bitch.

I was impressed that she couldn’t go through with it. She loves blood sport – we know this. I actually thought it was out of character. But maybe she’s got some innocence underneath her nonchalant exterior. I like seeing another side of her.

Personally, I’d be all the more eager to put the poor man out of his misery. He was going to succumb to his injuries sooner or later. It’s not like this man could have been saved. Absent tongue he couldn’t say it, but I bet he would have been begging for the end. (I can talk like they talk!)

Ilithyia sees that this is her chance. She takes the knife, says, “Our honored guest asks too much of inexperienced hands”, and drives it right into the guy’s heart, shocking everyone, but also impressing them.Seppia is horrified. I’d say it’s because she’s been shown-up, but I honestly think it’s about that guy dying right in front of her.Glaber is slightly alarmed – he knows about Licinia, so I’m sure he’s starting to wonder about his wife. I think her lack of conscience is starting to show a little. He’s standing next to the new magistrate – Gallienus – who comments to him: “Your wife does not shy from taking life.” The look on Glaber’s face. I just had a good laugh about it. This is a fact he knows all too well. And he probably doesn’t even know that Ilithyia ordered all the guests shut in the house when Spartacus and the other slaves were killing everyone.

Varinius is pleased. What is wrong with this guy?

“That is how you sate desire. Or love. Or vengeance. Without hesitation,” Ilithyia says. She’s got Varinius in the bag. He starts a slow clap for her, and it finally sinks in for Seppia that she’s lost something.

The following two GIFs are obviously not from this scene, but they’re characteristic of smiling exchanges between Ilithyia and Varinius:Kind of sickening, actually.

In the next scene, Seppius and Seppia are in a sort of alcove, though it’s only curtains forming their little space, and it’s mostly open. What I’m trying to say is that this is not a private place but they’re acting as if it is.

I wonder how they got there. If Seppia ran in there, and Seppius followed. If he dragged her in there. She might have even dragged him in there, though unfortunately I doubt it.

Seppia is crying.Seppius is looking out at the party where he can see Varinius with a woman on each arm. He turns to her smiling. He’s pretty happy about the way things turned out. “You overreach,” he taunts.Rather cruel, but it’s not like she didn’t have that coming. She is crying, though. “And hot tears burn in result,” he adds.

He’s never going to win her over with lectures! He sounds like her dad.

“Turn from him,” Seppius urges, more sympathetic now.He’s leaned in at this point. He puts his hands on her cheeks. “And dry your eyes,” he says, wiping away a couple of tears with his thumbs.Then he pulls his hands away, but he keeps wiping her cheeks.

Then he leans in fully and presses his forehead against hers.(If you’ve read some of my fanfic you’ll know how much I LOVE that gesture. I try not to put it in everything. I usually fail.) “Let us leave this fucking house,” he begs. That’s pretty much how everyone feels about that house. “And see memory of this night fade in warm embrace,” he says, again in a pleading tone.There you have it, folks.

I don’t think he’s talking about a long hug.

I’m pretty sure this embrace will be carnal.

And it’s not laid out directly in the dialogue, but the indication seems to be that this isn’t the first time. Which is exactly what I suspected after watching the episode where they were introduced, but after two episodes of absolutely nothing I was beginning to question my interpretation. But I don’t think I need to: Seppius/Seppia is implied canon.

Now, maybe they aren’t actually having sex or won’t be having sex, but I’m definitely getting a bed vibe. So it’s not typical brother/sister interaction, whatever sort of “relations” they might be having.

Seppia’s still crying.

Seppius kisses her lightly. It’s more at the corner of her mouth than on her lips. It’s not like a real kiss kiss.

The GIF makes it look a bit like she reciprocates. I’m not sure why it’s misleading like that. But she’s not very responsive.

“Yes, brother,” she eventually answers.

Seppius looks around like he’s trying to be discreet or something.Whatever, buddy: those curtains are transparent and they weren’t even closed all the way. He leaves, and she follows.

Glaber watches.Duh duh duh….

Even the kiss was pretty innocent, and he couldn’t have heard what they said, so it’s not like he’s got damning evidence. But he’s obviously suspicious. I’m hoping that he’ll end up blackmailing Seppius rather than exposing him. Like I said, I think it would be cool if they teamed up.

Well, that’s the last we see of Seppius and Seppia for the night. Unfortunately, we won’t be treated to the “warm embrace”. The fact that we’re not privy to these intimate moments scares me. I mean, yeah, I want to see them, of course I do, but what’s worse is I think it means that the relationship is only important for how it’ll drive the characters or how it can be used against them. The relationship itself doesn’t seem to be important.

OK, this is going to sound crazy coming from me, but I don’t love this scene. I like that we finally got something touching definitively on the nature of their relationship. I’m even OK with the fact that Seppius is clearly more into Seppia than she is into him (a possibility I almost assumed from Fugitivus). And I loved the forehead touch, and the kiss, and the wiping away of the tears. And I love how mean he was at first.

But I didn’t like how manipulative he was – telling her that she gets hurt when she strays from him. I’d rather they were level with each other. And I don’t think Seppia is crying over Varinius’ rejection as much as being spoiled and used to getting what she wants and not getting it this time. But she seemed very young in this scene, and Seppius seemed much older, and she was vulnerable, so I hated that it felt like he was taking advantage of that.

And her “Yes, Brother,” sounded very obedient and weary. I don’t doubt that she wanted to leave the party. She was crying her eyes out and had been publicly humiliated. But she just didn’t sound particularly eager for the “warm embrace” and she didn’t respond to Seppius at all, in anger, or seeking comfort, or anything.

I wish we’d see more of the dynamic we saw in Fugitivus.

I still love this episode, though. It’s jealousy porn. I love it.

As for Ilithyia, she corners Varinius, and despite being very obviously with child, convinces him to marry her. Lucretia works her father over, and it would seem that it’ll be happening for sure.

Now moving on to 2.05 Libertus.

There wasn’t much on the Seppius/Seppia front, but I do have to say, this was a freaking fantastic episode.

Ilithyia’s father wants her to abort the child before he’ll dissolve her marriage to Glaber and wed her to Varinius. Ilithyia doesn’t want to do it, but I think she would have done it if Lucretia, Ashur, and Glaber had not gotten involved. What saddened me more was that there was no mention of Spartacus. If it was his child, I feel like it should have come up somehow.

The games spoken of in the last episode are put on for the crowd.

We get the usual cattiness in the pulvinus. Somehow Varinius ended up getting praised. This happens often, actually. “Would that more stood your equal,” Seppia says. Guess she’s not done with Varinius yet.“A pity there is but one of him, so soon recalled to Rome,” Seppius remarks, smiling at Varinius, but very much not smiling.Seppius thinks that’s a pity about as much as I do.

Seppius is sitting behind Seppia, like he did in the first episode. Seppia turns her head towards him, glaring. She does that look-at-them-but-not-look-at-them thing that there is no name for, the thing I was talking about with Jason and Alison in my Pretty Little Liars entry.

Clearly she’s feeling some resentment towards her brother on the subject of Varinius. But I don’t know exactly why. The implication almost seems to be that he’s the one who got Varinius recalled to Rome. Well, it doesn’t really matter. But Seppia doesn’t seem to be too pleased with Seppius at the moment.

Well, skipping to the end: Spartacus mounts a rescue to save Oenomaus and Crixus from death in the arena. This involves setting fire to the arena. And it’s awesome. Mercato (if you’ll recall I mentioned him in the first entry, I’m not sure exactly what his position is) ends up under a fallen beam. I was really impressed with how hard and how earnestly Seppius tried to save him, at great peril to himself. I was pleased. I never ask my brothers and sisters to be good people, as long as they love each other, but sometimes it’s a nice bonus.

Mercato can’t be saved, however. And Ilithyia’s father, Albinius, is another casualty of the attack. Glaber, who had learned of Ilithyia’s plan to shed him, makes sure that Albinius does not survive (murder is catching—and he blames it on Spartacus, which might cause some fun tension later between Spartacus and Ilithyia), and reclaims Ilithyia for himself in front of Varinius.

As soon as they are free of the inferno, Seppius grabs Seppia’s hand and says, “I would see you back to the villa.” Well that’s confirmation that they live together, at least. He pulls her out of the frame.I bet there will be crazy rioting, so I hope he’s got men at the villa who can guard her.

I’m glad Varinius is leaving town, but I’m sad he’s back on the market. I wonder if he’ll go back to Rome like planned, even after this attack.

And that is that.

Other updates: blonde slave’s name is Chadara, and she really hasn’t been on it very much.

Poor Marcus is dead. I really thought he was around too much to serve no larger purpose, but I guess I was wrong. I’m disappointed. Glaber was sad too:

My darling Gannicus is finally back!

And Mira was pretty badass – just look at her leap onto this guy and stab him to death:

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Come on, Friday! Actually, since I download in 720 for graphics and stuff, I almost never can watch until Saturday. So, I guess, come on, Saturday!

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9 Responses to Seppius and Seppia – Episodes 2.03, 2.04, 2.05

  1. Beast of the Sea says:

    Ah. Well… can’t win them all!

    “I was impressed that she couldn’t go through with it. She loves blood sport – we know this. I actually thought it was out of character. But maybe she’s got some innocence underneath her nonchalant exterior. I like seeing another side of her.”
    It sounds similar to Draco Malfoy’s character arc in HP, actually. Remember? Nasty, nasty little brat until the time came for *true* bloodshed, torture, and murder – and he couldn’t take it. For Seppia, I think it’s that she’s extremely naive, in her way, and when the *reality* of what’s going on gets driven home to her, she can’t handle it.

    “And I don’t think Seppia is crying over Varinius’ rejection as much as being spoiled and used to getting what she wants and not getting it this time. ”
    Mixture of the two, methinks… one and the same, with her bratty innocence.

    Hmm. My interpretation is that Seppius is being set up as the poor, helpless brother head-over-heels devoted to his flirtatious sister, and Seppia as a naive spoiled child who doesn’t quite comprehend the effects of her actions upon other people. …This bodes VERY poorly for Seppius’s chances of surviving the show, in my opinion, because neither can generate uber-angst while the other survives, and I’m betting Seppia’s surviving to become the next Ilithyia after Ilithyia kicks the bucket in the end-of-season multi-parter. (At least, I would bet they’d save her death for then.) Besides, if it was him surviving and Seppia dying, the rules of maximum character torture would have her being far more sweet and devoted to him before her Tragic Untimely Death Right Before His Eyes With Him Being Helpless To Save Her. (Did you mean: Aberforth Dumbledore)

    Eh, what happened to Seppius’s personality, anyway? His spine seems to have fallen out between episodes. Maybe it’s a side effect of the writer wanting to emphasize his emotional dependence upon Seppia? I’m not denying that he’s being a bit manipulative, but I don’t think it’s intentional so much as his version of “Stop! In The Name Of Love”. (Alternatively, “Hey Girl” by the Mamas & the Papas.) It’s a bad sign, at any rate… martyrdom ahoy!

    It’s disappointing, because I hoped Seppius and Seppia would be more of an evil team together, and instead it seems like Unrequited Love/Teenage Thoughtlessness [respectively] 101. I slant heavily towards couples that double as two-person teams in my shipping preferences, so… Drat. Well, as I said at the start, can’t win them all. *shrugs*

    (Edit: After sleeping, I realized that they could also be going for Seppia maturing, realizing the error of her ways, and becoming a Spartacus-sympathizer only to be brutally killed off, sending Seppius straight off a cliff… but I doubt it. Seppius would need to be less miserable with the current situation for that, I think.)

    Thanks for updating! ‘Twas interesting, even if the actual development was a bit annoying. 😛

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I like the comparison of Seppia to Draco.

      I do think Seppia is very unaware and naive. She doesn’t think things through. She’s impulsive, and she’s all about what’s immediately pleasing to her. I think she keeps most of her feelings very deep down, and it takes a lot to get down there and disturb them. I also think that along with being spoiled she has probably been very shielded.

      Again, you make a really good case for Seppius’ death. I can only hope and pray that you’re wrong. His devotion to her does seem to be fairly clear at this point. And this show loves its body count.

      And if they do kill off Seppius, I think that at least will mean that they’ll give us more between the two of them.

      As for Seppius and Seppia’s dynamic, I’m not giving up hope yet. But it does not appear as if they will be doing any evil scheming together any time soon. They don’t seem to be a team right now. But like I said, I’m not giving up hope.

      Seppia turning into a Spartacus-sympathizer would be quite the twist. She’d have to undergo a real life-changing experience for that, but it doesn’t break my mind to imagine it.

      Well, we’ll just have to see what comes next.

      • Beast of the Sea says:

        Hmm, drat, my formatting seems to have bugged up… The “Did You Mean: Aberforth Dumbledore” was supposed to mimic Google’s “Did You Mean” suggestion, complete with font colors. 😛 Anyway…

        Yes, I’d say that’s a perfect description of Seppia!

        “Again, you make a really good case for Seppius’ death. I can only hope and pray that you’re wrong. His devotion to her does seem to be fairly clear at this point. And this show loves its body count.”
        Perhaps I’m just pessimistic… I have an absolutely horrendous track record with ships. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows dropped me down to the point of jumping on the ships after they had been smashed, sunk, and then hauled up from the depths just to be set on fire. 😛 (Severus Snape/Lily Evans, Albus Dumbledore/Gellert Grindelwald, and, after some time had passed, Ariana/Aberforth. *sigh*) So I tend to look out for signs that a ship is heading for a bad end.

        Speaking of those ships (ignoring that Ariana/Aberforth technically wasn’t a romance), I may point out that the more ‘virtuous’ partner died first in all three (Too Good For This Sinful World trope, ahoy!) – even in the case of Albus/Gellert, where the ship had been sunk for nearly a century anyway. Similarly, with Alexia/Alfred, the more openly devoted and pitiful Alfred died first. (Well, relatively speaking. He was a sadistic psychopath in his spare time, but he did literally go insane from grief and loneliness during the fifteen years he was separated from his sister.) I’m drawing a blank for other fandoms right now, but I think it’s rare when the more virtuous partner is left with THEIR loved one dead in their arms rather than the other way around.

        Of course, there’s no real reason that I should be predicting death, per se, save that when authors go on a killing spree (or are permanently in killing-spree mode), every character must be presumed to live only as long as they have a purpose to serve. 😛 Seppia is safe so far because, as I’ve said before, she hasn’t moved up to plot-mover status yet. Seppius, however, already plays a prominent role in show politics, and thus lives in the shadow of the axe, only likely to live for a bit because he hasn’t had his turn at the forefront. Goodness knows they may choose to kill Glaber for dramatic effect at some point, and he ‘canonically’ survives! (Or perhaps he’ll live… given that he’s apparently taken on somewhat of an embittered-snarker role, he may survive just to mock the failure of Spartacus’s efforts in the end. ‘You may have made a fool of me, but when I captured you, you were a nothing… and you die a nothing.’ With Spartacus, or a friend of Spartacus, making a snide comment in return of ‘I thought you Romans valued dignity more than life’, whereupon Glaber whirls around in a fury, spits on a corpse, and rides off on a mule into the dusty and blood-smeared sunset. (?) Some sort of suitably nihilistic ending for such a dark show, at any rate.)

        “And if they do kill off Seppius, I think that at least will mean that they’ll give us more between the two of them. ”
        They have to, right? If there’s one good thing about dramatic deaths related to tragic relationships, it’s that they have to be built up to the point where the audience feels the pain rather than bursting out into screaming fits of laughter at the completely random melodramatic death. (See: the end of The Subtle Knife by Philip Pullman.) As such, we’ll likely get flashbacks to the start of their relationship, plenty of laying-it-on-thick showing Seppius’s heartfelt devotion to Seppia and it flying straight over her cheerfully-spoiled head, and probably a leeeetle bit of backstory (though this doesn’t sound like a show that spends too much time giving people backstories). Hey, J.K. Rowling spared about a chapter each for each of her big previously-unmentioned backstories in Deathly Hallows (Kreacher’s Tale, The Missing Mirror, The Prince’s Tale – and Albus and Gellert got spread out over a good deal of the book, so probably ~a chapter when you combine it all together), which was about the right length… so maybe an episode’s worth of material, spread out over several episodes, for Seppius and Seppia when all’s said and done?

        I suspect they might be orphaned. It would explain Seppius’s spoiling of Seppia, Seppia’s behaving as if Seppius is the only authority figure in her life, and possibly why the two of them were close enough to tip over into incest. (Dead, incompetent, or absent parents are rather helpful for sibling incest plots, aren’t they? Ones that are paying attention would present quite a problem… Though, if you wanted to go for drama and angst, you could always have parents abruptly force close-but-platonic siblings to be separated, much to their bewilderment and misery – and later, when the siblings reunite, they realize uncomfortably that their parents might have picked up on something that they hadn’t quite figured out themselves. Aside from that, the absence of competent and attentive family members gives an excuse to go for the ‘we only have each other’ angle as a lead-up to incest, which Seppius and Seppia have already touched upon a few times. Again, suggestive of a lack of close family.)

        Ahem… calling in that case that they lost their parents tragically when Seppia was beginning puberty, leaving Seppius in charge of his adorable, wide-eyed little sister, whom he promptly pampered like a puppy… and who soon went rather overboard in admiring her big, strong, and noble older brother. He was, of course, helpless against her charms (or didn’t try very hard to resist), and that’s how they wound up where they are today. I honestly can’t tell how old Seppia is supposed to be, and I’d be QUITE happy and relieved to move that potential age for the start of it all up to, say, 15 or 16 rather than [as I expect] 12 or 13, but she comes off as a teenager, so I’m suspecting she’s around 16 now and has been with him for a couple of years. *shrugs* I stink at timelines.

        “Seppia turning into a Spartacus-sympathizer would be quite the twist. She’d have to undergo a real life-changing experience for that, but it doesn’t break my mind to imagine it.”
        Well, I just wonder if that’s what the scene with the slave was setting up, since it worked to demonstrate Ilithyia’s ruthlessness (again), Varinius’s casual attitude towards the whole thing, and Seppia’s reluctance to do the deed – but what else? Seppia briefly feeling pity for the slave and being shocked by Ilithyia’s callousness seems like foreshadowing that she’s not-as-bad-as-the-rest – but to what end? Perhaps I’m just over-analyzing. 😛 They have to keep SOME twists in the bag that we viewers haven’t all guessed! 😉

        Yep, we’ll have to see what comes next. That’s what keeps us watching, right? 😛

        • Shipcestuous says:

          Disclaimer: I’m replying before I’ve seen the new episode – I gather something of significance has happened, but I remain largely unspoiled. I’m afraid, though. Very afraid. It’s a good thing we’ve been speculating about deaths so that I can be prepared. I think it’s good to be pessimistic. I definitely try to protect myself with pessimism. People who’ve been burned before know to do that. And on a show like this it’s that much wiser. I try to expect the worst, but I usually can’t help but let a sliver of optimism through.

          I knew what you were doing with the “Did you mean Aberforth Dumbledore”, but it’s too bad the formatting didn’t work out. But it’s OK, I still got it.

          You’re right – I think the only time when the more devoted one lives is when they actually do the killing his/herself. And in that case, it’s usually not the more virtuous one who lives, just the more devoted one.

          I do see the ending being nihilistic. They could try and make it seem like Spartacus made a big difference and gave hope to people who didn’t have it, and his name will go down in history, etc., but I could totally see them doing something like you suggested. It’s hard to not be bleak when basically all the “good guys” die at the end.

          No, this show doesn’t do flashbacks. Lucretia is a main character and we don’t know anything about her childhood or her family. I would love it if we got flashbacks, though I doubt it. We’ve only gotten two flashbacks that weren’t actually footage from earlier in the show – and those were for Oenomaus and Spartacus, arguably more major characters than Seppius and Seppia.

          Yes, I think it would make the most sense if they were orphaned. Dead/absent parents certainly correlates much higher with incestuous stories, though I always love it when that’s not the case, so that the incest doesn’t feel like some sort of psychological condition resulting from the situation with the parents. But if anything, it affords them more chances to be incestuous without being caught.

          Yeah, it has not been stated how old Seppia is, and I’ve been going with 16. I’ve no doubt the actress is quite a bit older than that, which is why I think I would be fair to pretend she’s a little bit older if she does turn about to be, say, 13, or so.

          I do wonder if Seppia’s reaction to the slave and his death will inform later plotlines, because there’s certainly a number of other ways they could have gone about giving Ilithyia the upperhand in her competition for Varinius.

  2. Jen. says:

    Despite their lack of… personality? I guess you could call it; I was excited for the possibilities of this pairing. And even more excited about the fact that I found a site that seeks the same interests as mine. I’m saddened, though. Have you seen the new episode? 2.06? I’m crushed.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Ugh, yes. Crushed is right. Talk about taking my full-of-possibilities heart and stomping all over it. This show hates me.
      It’s true, Seppius and Seppia weren’t very well-developed. They certainly weren’t given very much screen time. But it could have been great. And then the writers go and do THAT.
      On the positive side: welcome! Hopefully you can find another pairing here to get excited about.
      Thank you for commenting, and again, welcome!

  3. Richard. says:

    I have read a plenty of Seppia’s reluctance in killing off the rebel. Most lean towards a ‘sympathetic’ side to Her. My feelings are different. She loved the games, treat slaves like dirt and was thoroughly enjoying the spectacle.
    But She enjoyed wine, but did you ever see her pour wine for Herself? She liked shoes upon Her feet, but did She ever put them on Herself? She liked to be cooled, but always had a slave to do the fanning.
    The fact is, the greatest effort She had to make in Her life, was to snap Her fingers for a slave or an admirer to do it for Her. With Her beauty, there was no need for Her to go through the physical effort of despatching the slave Herself.
    She was utterly spoilt, but very pretty.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I suppose that’s possible. I do think sympathy played a small role, although more importantly I just think that things got out of hand before she knew what she was doing. It’s not that she cared about the man, necessarily, but more so that she wasn’t ready to kill someone. But that could have something to do with her never doing anything herself. I think her detachment from everyday realities, being rich and spoiled, was a factor.

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