Arrow 2 – Honor Thy Father, or DON’T YOU KNOCK

It was not my plan to write a follow-up on Arrow until something almost unbelievable happened between Oliver and Thea. Well…bless this show.

Episode two is so full of Oliver/Thea goodness that I’m pretty sure not writing about it would have been so illegal I would have been put in jail.

Entry #1 is here. (I read through it and found a billion typos. At one point I actually mixed up Tommy and Oliver’s names for an entire paragraph. Oops.)

Quick character refresher:

Oliver Queen – Hero (Stephen Amell)

Thea Queen – Sister (Willa Holland)

Moira Queen – Mother

Walter Steele – Stepdad

Robert Queen – Father

Laurel Lance – Love interest, lawyer with a mission

Tommy Merlyn – Best friend (Colin Donnell)

John Diggle (*giggle*) – Bodyguard

Quentin Lance – Detective, Laurel and Sarah’s dad

Sarah Lance – Laurel’s dead sister

And a summary in images:

Thea seeing Oliver for the first time since his return, looking at him in a totally normal sisterly way.

Oliver kissing Thea on the cheek in a way that totally does not make it look like he’d rather kiss her on the mouth.

Oliver and Thea hugging in a way that totally does not make it look like they’re perfect together.

OK, that wasn’t really a summary.

1.02 Honor Thy Father is not as a whole as entertaining of an episode as the pilot – as in, I may only watch it three times instead of four times – but it was the perfect continuation of everything I loved about the first episode and full of plenty of things for speculation and my shipper heart.

The episode begins (after a scene of Arrow doing some of his Robin Hood business) with Oliver headed to court to have himself officially declared alive. Discussion in the episode makes it clear that Oliver has been back for roughly a week. I have a feeling the speed of the judicial system in Starling City is going to require some suspension of disbelief, because Laurel is already trying another case.

Oliver/Thea SCENE 1

The family – Walter, Moira, and Thea – are gathered in a living room of sorts watching the news and Oliver walks in. The news story is about Arrow (or should I be calling him Green Arrow?) – though he is only being referred to at this point as a hooded vigilante.

Everyone notices him walk in, but I found Thea to be particularly observant. I get the feeling that while Moira is thrilled to have her son alive and home, Thea is the one trying to understand exactly what he’s going through. It’s like Moira notes that Oliver is now in the room, but Thea is actually preparing herself for the emotional challenges of being in his presence.

Oliver swallows a little anxiously while he watches the news story – it’s pretty subtle, a nice touch – then decides to make a joke about Arrow getting more air time than the Kardashians.

Thea is surprised and slightly critical that he knows who they are/still knows who they are. (Are the Kardashians more than five years famous?)

And Oliver says that he has been “catching up”. I actually think it’s kind of great that he has been exposed to pop culture since his return. I mean, if I had been on an island for five years, the first thing I would do when I got back (once I had some free time), would be to catch up on my favorite TV shows. And eat, of course. That’s how lame I am. Maybe Oliver has had the radio on while he has been working out. I’m sure he’s already tired of Alex Clare’s “Too Close”.

Oliver makes a jibe about culture improving while he was away (he’s awfully critical for someone who probably slept with a Kardashian before he was shipwrecked), which makes Moira turn serious and mention that people in Starling City used to feel safe. If Starling City is anything like Gotham, then that’s highly unlikely.

The reason I’m mentioning all of this is because of Thea’s response – she asks, “What’s the matter, Mom? Afraid we’re going to be next?” in reference to Arrow targeting the wealthy. Thea sounds like she thinks maybe they ought to be targeted. I wonder if this is a sign that she’ll share some of Oliver’s Robin Hood philosophy, and maybe end up as a sidekick? Thea’s tone carries a lot of disdain, but that might just be targeted at her mother.

I wonder what Thea and Walter’s relationship is like.

Walter begins explaining what the procedure in the court room will be like, but Oliver interrupts, and tells him that he has some experience. Tommy walks in at just that moment, and begins listing the four times that Oliver had to go to court: 1) DUI, 2) assault on paparazzi, 3) stealing a taxi, and 4) peeing on a cop. (No wonder Detective Quentin Lance loves him so much.)

I love that Tommy just strolls right in. I assume he’s got some sort of deal with the guard at the gate and the butler that he’s basically family, free to come and go as he chooses. I mean, don’t butlers announce guests? Because Tommy wasn’t announced. Maybe they don’t have a butler. Raisa the housekeeper was conspicuously absent from this episode. I wonder if she was dropped. I hope not. Oliver’s scenes with her were very sentimental in a nice way.

Nobody blinks an eye at Tommy’s sudden, uninvited appearance. Moira, like Thea, seems to tolerate him in a slightly annoyed but much more affectionate way.

Oliver isn’t exactly thrilled to see him (though I’m pretty sure it’s because, like John Diggle, he needs to get away from him to do Arrow business), but I hope he was as moved as I was when Tommy said he was there to see his friend resurrected from the dead. I love that Tommy is being shown to be a true friend, even though from a stereotypical perspective, their friendship might be seen as mostly superficial.

Oliver asks Thea if she’s coming to court, too.

She says that four times was enough for her.

Oliver appeared slightly chagrinned when Tommy was listing all of the times he had been in trouble with the law, but when Thea refers to those “four times” and then walks out of the room, that’s the first time Oliver really seems ashamed. At least that’s what it seemed like to me. Like he goes from, “Haha, yeah, I used to be a drunken idiot” to “My God what she must think of me. I set the worst example possible.”

He says, “Fair enough.”

I’m kind of curious as to why Thea decides not to go to court. It really seems like a family event. (Especially given that she attended his court date for peeing on an officer.) I think she’s punishing him. I could be making things up. Maybe Willa Holland just couldn’t shoot the day they filmed the court scene, or something like that. But I’m going to venture a guess and say that Thea is punishing Oliver (for reasons revealed later in the episode), and so she ducks out of the family affair.

John Diggle (I laugh EVERY SINGLE TIME) announces that the car is ready, and they all shuffle out. Tommy holds his arm out for Moira to take, and she just sort of looks him over amusedly and walks right past him. I’m not sure what the point was, but it’s pretty hilarious. I’m thinking less and less that he’s in cahoots with her. But maybe that was the point?

Don’t feel bad, Tommy – I would have taken your arm.

The press swarm Oliver at the courthouse. It makes him go a little PTSD with memories of the yacht going down. I liked that. Oliver isn’t just dealing with a superhero alter ego, he really is damaged. And he really is broken by the death of Sarah. He obviously feels intense guilt where she is concerned. Cheating on Laurel with her sister was a horrible thing, but it’s not his fault that Sarah died. So I wonder how much he is mourning her as well, what his feelings for her were. Did he cheat on Laurel because of commitment issues – maybe things were getting too serious with Laurel so he sabotaged their relationship? But he could have cheated with anyone. Or did he have really strong feelings for Sarah? I thought she came off as rather generic female company in the flashbacks. But she’s Laurel’s sister. And this isn’t some one-time hotel tryst during lunch hour or some accidental hook-up at a party – he took her away, to China, on a yacht trip!

Oliver is forced to tell his story to the judge. We’ve seen him put on a (figurative) mask in public, but it’s pretty obvious during this scene that revisiting those events is taking a toll on him. Moira looks very regretful while listening, but I’m not sure if it’s an act. Walter, as always, is very unreadable. We can see optimism and consternation on his face, but his actual feelings always seem to be hidden.

Tommy is quite upset while listening. It’s nice to see something get through his clowny exterior. I’m guessing he’s never properly heard this story. It really shakes him. Which makes a nice contrast to the fact that he’s comically underdressed. Given Tommy’s lifestyle, I figure he has money. So I think it’s really funny that he never dresses up. I mean, he doesn’t look like a bum. But everyone else is wearing a suit.Moira wants to take Oliver to the office, but Oliver weasels out of it by saying he’s too emotionally-drained. Clever, observant Tommy notes that “last week” Oliver couldn’t wait to get to the office. (My wild lust for Tommy is out of control. I literally think that him noticing this is the most amazing thing that ever happened in the history of the world.)

Oliver says that he wasn’t really with it last week.

OK…?

Now, I know what Oliver doesn’t want to go to the office. As we learn later in the episode, Oliver doesn’t want a leadership role in Queen Consolidated because he wants to have the time to be Arrow, and because he needs to be seen as an irresponsible party boy. But why was he so gung-ho about going to the office in episode 1? His plan hasn’t changed since then, I assume. Did the writers change their minds about something?

As Oliver reaches the bottom of the stairs, he runs into Laurel coming around the corner. He’s a little flustered at first, which is SO FREAKING ADORABLE. He sort of mumbles “Hi”, but also sort of fails at it.

And then Tommy is standing off to the side, biting his lip, SO FREAKING JEALOUS I CAN’T EVEN HANDLE IT. But like the sad kind of jealousy, like he’s already lost. MY POOR BABY. He avoids looking at Laurel. I guess he doesn’t want to give himself away but it looks sort of awkward to me. Fjaljfjdlajlfjlajdsafkjdjajkla

Things are really tense between Laurel and Oliver. She’s really pissed over what he said at the end of the pilot, that she should stay away from. She blurts out their entire story angrily while introducing him to her companions.

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.Oliver’s got sort of a masochistic side – he just sort of stands there and takes it, smiling like he enjoys getting what he deserves even though it hurts.

Laurel storms away, plowing right through Tommy who obviously isn’t indifferent to the contact.

Then Tommy pats him on the chest, and says, “Come on, buddy. Shake it off. Let’s go.” It’s hilarious. Thanks be for this guy.Oliver takes off on his own while Tommy and John Diggle (hahahahahaha) are keeping the press away from him. This is why I feel pretty confident saying that Oliver was really only displeased to see Tommy because he knew he would have to shake him later. I’m sure Tommy is going to notice at some point that Oliver is always taking off to go do his own thing. It’ll probably put a strain on their friendship at first, though I hope it ends eventually in Tommy discovering the truth.

Oliver has set up a whole lair in his father’s abandoned factory. Seems like he could have chosen a better location, but I’m impressed with what he’s done with the place. He’s shown doing a fair amount of training, which is good reality-wise. He goes after the corrupt businessman of the week, Martin Somers, who is also the man that Laurel is going after legally, which is, of course, probably not a coincidence.

The thing about getting shot with an arrow is that you’ve been shot with an arrow. Unlike rubber bullets or tranquilizer darts for guns, an arrow is an arrow. So when Arrow shoots a henchman with an arrow, that henchman is very seriously hurt or very seriously dead. I haven’t been watching as closely as I probably should have been (I get bored during long action sequences), but I feel like Arrow’s got a body count most heroes wouldn’t have. That interests me.

Oliver shoots Martin Somers with some warning arrows and tells him to confess during Laurel’s trial to his crimes.

He doesn’t.

This is basically what happened in episode 1, when Oliver shot some warning arrows at corrupt businessman of the week and told him to transfer 40 million dollars into a bank account. He didn’t.

Eventually Oliver is going to figure out that this doesn’t work.

Back at Queen Manor, Moira is giving John Diggle (LOLOLOLOLOL) a hard time about being a pretty sucky bodyguard. Oliver walks in just in time to explain to his mother that he has been slipping off to get some booty. He makes a pretty funny joke about introducing the girl in question once he learns what her name is. You’re so funny, Oliver. Moira buys it, but I’m not sure that Dig does. I don’t think Tommy would either, if he had been there.

This is actually the funniest scene, because Moira tells Oliver that he needs a bodyguard because he was already kidnapped once, and then there’s that crazy Arrow guy. Well, Moira, you were behind his kidnapping, and he IS Arrow.

Oliver/Thea SCENE 2

John Diggle (*chortling*) leaves the room, and Thea appears, dressed for a night out.

OK, so, I don’t know how to describe this, and I know it doesn’t mean anything, but Oliver/Stephen does this deep breath/leaning back thing when he first sees Thea in this scene that totally gives me shipper feels that I can’t explain. I mean, I know that it sort of parallels when the guy sees the girl all dressed up and he can’t believe how beautiful she is, but I’m not saying it’s like that. It actually reminds me a bit more of when Olive ran smack into Laurel earlier in the episode and was just a bit shaken because he doesn’t find it easy to interact with Laurel and he didn’t get a chance to prepare himself.

Anyway, he asks Thea where she’s going. Conversationally, not accusationally.

“Somewhere loud and smoky,” she replies defiantly, even though, as I just pointed out, his tone was amicable.

Apparently her necklace is not her only accessory – she’s also wearing her attitude hat.

Oliver’s demeanor changes immediately. His good humor just falls completely away in response to her tone. I loved seeing them get along – especially in their first three scenes from the last episode – but I cannot complain about this tension. Oliver seems to have a lot less patience with Thea than he does with his mother and with Laurel. He barely reacts to Laurel throwing barbs back at the courthouse, but one snotty word from Thea and he’s frowning and stiff. They really are brother and sister, even though he’s so much older. Although I know a lot of this is just him dealing with expectations vs. reality. He’s been on the island, thinking about his adorable little sister, his loving mother, making amends with and then winning back his ex girlfriend. Things just aren’t that simple. And now he’s got Thea giving him sass.

Thea tells him to not bother pocketing her stash because tonight she’s getting drunk instead.

Even though Thea just keeps making it worse, Oliver doesn’t get more annoyed; he decides to try a different tack. He takes a few steps towards her. “Thea…You think this is what Dad would want for you?”

So it’s a manipulative tack! A guilt trip using the dead parent. Cheap move.

“Dead people don’t want anything. It’s one of the benefits of being dead,” Thea responds. She doesn’t appreciate what he tried to do, but she doesn’t get self-righteous on him. Well, not yet.

“I was dead. And I wanted a lot.” This would be the perfect time for me to insert some sexual innuendo, but since she was like 12 when he left it’s just not going to work.

So now he’s bringing up his time on the island. Another cheap move.

Thea’s not having any of it: “Except for your family.”

Seriously? The sexual-innuendo opportunity just keeps getting better and better, but it still won’t work!

She takes a step towards him while she says this. Willa Holland needs to reconsider some of her acting choices (and by that I mean she must not!) because while moving towards him is supposed to come off as a challenge, it mostly just comes off as seductive.

I mean, you see this, right?

“You’ve been home all week,” she continues, “and all you do is avoid mom, ignore Walter, and judge me.”

Oliver takes a deep breath. He can’t really respond to that because she’s right.

“Don’t wait up,” she finishes, walking away.

He watches her walk away, and then looks down thoughtfully/guiltily.

I hate to see them arguing like this, and Thea’s snippy mood is a real downer, but like I said, I am enjoying this tension.

Thea had expectations too. They’re all adjusting.

The next day, Oliver goes to Queen Consolidated with his mother and Walter.

She tells him that she wants him to take a leadership role in the company. Oliver declines. Walter says something soothingly about how he knows the transition has been difficult for Oliver, and Oliver flings out some angry comment about the CFO sleeping down the hall from him. Now, I’m not convinced that Walter is a very good guy. And I understand that Oliver has come home to find a total stranger is now a member of his family, and that’s unpleasant for him. (I mean, I hate it when my cousins bring their boyfriends/girlfriends to Thanksgiving dinner. No, the more is not the merrier. I’ve never seen this person in my life. Why are they at family dinner?) But Oliver really has no excuse for being this rude! He has a very serious Hamlet complex going on here.

Oliver does make a nice joke about everyone fantasizing that he got his MBA while he was on the island. I’m sure in Oliver’s case he did study some business while at the Ivy League school that he dropped out of, but this is something that drives me crazy about other shows. Especially Gossip Girl. All of the main characters on that show are 21 or so. Some of them went to college for maybe like an episode or two. That’s it. I mean, they didn’t even study 18th century agrarian business. And three of them are running major companies. Connections and parents aren’t everything. There are still things that you have to know. I don’t know what they are, because I never studied business. But I assume, that there are, you know, things.

Well, Moira is not pleased. She tells Oliver that his irresponsibility is no longer charming. Maybe things would have gone better, Oliver, if you hadn’t been such a dick!

Oliver/Thea SCENE 3

Oliver is in his room, delightfully shirtless. Perhaps he just got out of the shower. Or perhaps he was just admiring himself in the mirror. (Wouldn’t be the first time. I’m pretty sure all of that “the face I see in the mirror is a stranger” business is really just an excuse to keep looking at himself.)

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the baddest-ass archer of them all
(Girl look at that body
I work out)

(Take a good look at the picture above. How awesome is his bedroom?)

I don’t know if I ever mentioned that his body is covered in a lot of burns and scars. But they stand out. He’s watching the news, learning that Martin Somers did not do what he asked him to do. So he’s got his back to the door, and he starts putting his shirt on. (NO!!!!)

When Thea appears in his doorway!

She stops and stares for a minute.

Yeah, for real.

I mean, sure, she’s probably supposed to be looking at the scars. But come on.  I’m sure she noticed other things too.

She runs inside, asking concernedly how he got the scars. She’s upset by them.

“Don’t you knock?!!!” Oliver demands. He is REALLY annoyed.

Um, THE DOOR WAS OPEN.

I’m not sure if his annoyance is due to the fact that he doesn’t want to talk about the scars/is embarrassed by them, or due to the fact that there was bad news on the TV, or maybe just residual annoyance from their argument the night before. But wow. Bad mood.

He’s got his shirt on over his arms, but it’s still unbuttoned.

HALLELUJAH.

She grabs his shoulder and makes him turn around to face her, and then she starts pulling at the shirt so she can get a better look. AT HIS NAKED FLESH.

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Too bad she didn’t walk in earlier. I’m sure he’s got some very interesting scars in the upper thigh area.

So, yes, for real, she actually rips his shirt open wider.

BEST SCENE EVAH.

“Mom said there were scars…” she begins. She already knew there were scars – obviously all of this is just an excuse for her to look at his muscles.

Joking aside, I’m glad Thea got a little dose of Oliver-has-been-through-hell to help with an attitude adjustment. He’s just looking out for you, Thea!

She looks over the scars on his chest. Unfortunately she doesn’t run her fingers over them (damn!) but she does sort of hold onto the edge of his shirt in a very touchy way.

She is looking at EVERYTHING.

(That would be the expression on my face, too.)

“Oliver, what happened to you out there?” she asks, shaken.

I cannot get over how charged this little scene is. It’s not just her looking over his bare chest. There’s just an intensity here. It’s obvious that he’s very uncomfortable. He avoids her eyes at first. But then he answers her question : “I don’t want to talk about”, starts buttoning up his shirt – but very, very slowly – and looks her in the eyes.

And they’re standing so close together. Can you imagine if Tommy walked in right then? I mean, this just does not look good.

The most distracting thing in this scene is not actually Oliver’s body, but Thea’s shirt. What the hell are those things?

Thea gives a bitter half-laugh of disbelief as Oliver backs away. “Of course you don’t,” she says.

AHA! I believe herein likes the key to Thea’s pissiness. (Spell check tells me that’s not a word.) She’s not really angry at Oliver for judging her (though I suppose that’s somewhat bothersome) – she’s angry because all of his “reconnect” talk was bullshit. He’s been distant, and it’s hurting her.

Oliver has turned his back on her to button his shirt while facing his bed. Obviously he noticed there was a little too much sexual tension when he was facing her. He must modestly hide the sight of his six pack.

So she starts storming out, and he yells angrily at her to wait, and turns around. I cannot imagine him taking that tone with Laurel. I like all this aggression between him and Thea.

He asks her where’s she’s going. He asks her that a lot. Controlling much?

“Why should I tell you?” she asks. Oh, so this girl is back.

Oliver moves towards her in that conciliatory type of way. “I’m sorry, Thea.”

Those three words have a major impact on her. She has already softened.

“I need to get better at talking about what happened to me there. But I’m not ready yet. OK?” He’s very awkward and sort of stilted when he says this, which I like. It makes me feel like he’s being real. It’s not something he has prepared in advance to say.

“Do you have a second?” she asks.

“Yeah.”

“Good. I want to show you something out back.”

My hopes that what she had to show him required her wearing less clothes are dashed when the two of them are shown standing next to two gravestones out in the yard. One is for their father, Robert, and the other is for Oliver. Thea wipes off the one for their father, and explains that she used to come out there to talk to them. Moira stopped going out after the funerals, stopped talking to anyone. Thea felt all alone.

(We get canon for Oliver’s age on the tombstone. 1985-2007. So he was 22 when he disappeared, and is 27 now. Depending on the months. So he’s 9-11 years older than Thea, depending on the months. Almost exactly what I estimated.)

She says that she used to come out there and talk to Oliver about stupid stuff – “What I was doing that day. What boy I had a crush on.” Adorable. Isn’t that just the sweetest thing?

But I think it’s kind of hilarious that Thea was the one who had a Wilson and not actual castaway Oliver.

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She finishes with: “And the truth is, I felt closer to you when you were dead.”

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Boom.

She just wants to be closer to him. Does it get any better than this?

“I know it was hell where you were. But it was hell here too.

You’ve got to let me in, Ollie. You’ve got to let someone in.”

Oliver just listens.

When the scene was over, I said aloud to him: “But not Laurel, right, Ollie? Thea’s the one you’re going to let in, right?”

And then what to do you know, the next scene has him knocking on Laurel’s door, explaining that his sister told him he needed to open up to someone, and apologizing for the fact that he hurt her when he only meant to protect her.

WTF.

Thea is the only one in his life actually reaching out to him on every level, and he just keeps shutting her down. But at least she did make some inroads into him. What she said obviously had an impact.

I can understand why Thea might not be his first choice. She may not be 12 anymore, but she’s still only 17. And he wants to make her life easier and better, not weigh her down with his troubles. They were obviously close before his disappearance, but it’s not as if he’s used to taking her into his confidence.

The person he really should be talking to is Tommy. But Tommy hasn’t exactly shown himself willing to talk through the heavy shit.

Oliver starts off by telling Laurel that he’s a jerk.

I like the acknowledgment on his part that even though he has a noble mission that he has selflessly dedicated himself to doesn’t mean that he’s treating the people in his life the right away. Thea *cough*

Oliver also tells Laurel that there was one thing he thought of every day while he was on the island, he even dreamed about.

ICE CREAM. Yes. Perfect man. And he told himself that he ever got the chance to do it again, he would do it with Laurel. Seriously? Eating ice cream is like the perfect thing to do with your younger sister. Get out, Oliver Queen. We don’t want your decisions here.

Laurel was very annoying in this episode. After Arrow attacked Martin Somers, Quentin was investigating, and Martin Somers made a threat against Laurel. So Quentin put some cops on Laurel and her client to keep them safe. And Laurel freaks out about it, like she’s being put in protective custody and has no freedom. LADY, SHUT YO MOUTH. Your father already lost a daughter. He just wants to keep you safe. You have a very, very dangerous job and I think you can handle a squad car outside your apartment, OK?

Now, I did agree with her when her father told her to stop going after the sharks and just be a nice, quiet lawyer, and she told him she couldn’t. She’s doing good work. But other than that, she was totally unreasonable. I’m sure having an overprotective cop father hasn’t always been a joy, but he’s alive and he cares about her and she is in actual, real flipping danger.

Martin Somers is in league with a Chinese drug ring called the Triad. Martin Somers gets taken down in this episode after Arrow records him making a confession of killing the father of Laurel’s client, but the Triad still remains. I think they might be a larger villainous organization that will last for several episodes, or maybe even a seasonal or semi-seasonal arc.

We meet one representative from the Triad – China White  – who is played by Kelly Hu. I’m a big fan. She was Pearl on The Vampire Diaries, and she was also in X-Men 2 as Wolverine’s counterpart. And I just now learned that she does the voice of Stacy on Phineas and Ferb. Now that I know it, I can totally hear it. Kelly Hu is gorgeous, though the white wig is not a flattering look. China White knows all sorts of martial arts, so she makes a good enemy. I hope we’ll see her again. (She didn’t die right? I mentioned that I have trouble paying attention during long action sequences, didn’t I?)

Oliver speaks in Chinese to her. So he knows another language. By this point it’s pretty obvious that he has not been alone on the island for five years. He learned those languages from someone.

She decides that Laurel needs to be taken out, so she and some of Somers’ men attack Laurel while Oliver is over there. Between John Diggle (*snickering*) and Oliver, they don’t stand a chance. Quentin shows up, yelling at Oliver for putting another one his daughters in danger. It’s all pretty ironic since they were there to attack Laurel, and she would be dead if Oliver had not been there.

Before the attack, Oliver is telling Laurel that that he doesn’t want to work at Queen Consolidated, but that his mother isn’t taking no for an answer. She tells him that he needs to show his mother who he is. This gives him the idea that he needs to play the part of the person he wants his mother to believe him to be, unfortunately. So he shows up to the groundbreaking ceremony for the new Applied Sciences center (jkjaljlfjaljda Batman feels) pretending to be drunk off his a$$.

Thea’s just sort of watching in disbelief.

But first, Tommy sees Laurel there and walks up to her. He’s surprised to see her, given his impression of what Oliver and Laurel’s relationship is at that point.

But Laurel explains that he invited her last night. Tommy is not pleased to hear about “last night”.

“Is that surprise, or jealousy I’m hearing?” Laurel asks. Don’t tease him, Laurel! My poor baby.

“Look, I just don’t want him to find out anything, OK?” Tommy says. “Oliver has been through a lot.” Awwwwwww.

I’m still not clear on whether Oliver already knows or not. We saw him as Arrow watching over Laurel while she talked with Tommy about their little liaison, but did he hear? DID HE HEAR?

So now Tommy is pretending that he’s just protecting Oliver’s feelings. Sure.

He looks amazing during this scene. The black blazer and natural light are unbelievably flattering. Remember when I said I could believe his face? Well, I no longer can. More spam!

So Oliver goes up on the podium, and drunkenly says that he can’t be his father. Thea gives him a hard look as he brushes past her.

This episode delved into Oliver’s feelings about his father quite a bit. Despite the fact that Oliver tells us that his family’s fortune was built on the suffering of others, he’s very soft on his father. Robert wanting to make amends at the very end really seemed to wash him completely clean in Oliver’s eyes. Of course there was also the fact that he shot himself so his son could live. (I guess Oliver doesn’t really care about the other guy he shot.) But Oliver is making up for all of it with his good deeds. He’s trying to atone for everything. He goes on and on about what a great man his father was throughout several different scenes. It’s really touching. It seems to me they were close. They were out on the yacht together. Robert knew that Sarah was Laurel’s sister. He cautioned his son, but was not too judgmentally harsh. It’s almost like they were buds.

We get some new flashbacks to the island. Oliver kept his father’s body in the raft with him. He finds a notebook in his father’s pocket, but it’s blank except for a symbol inside the front cover. This is the same notebook as present-day Oliver has (I assume), with all of the names of the corrupt in it. So color me confused. Where does Oliver get the names from? I was under the impression that Robert had given the names to him. That’s clearly not the case (unless it’s a ghost whisperer deal, LOL).

Moira is shown meeting with a man whose face we never see. She assures him that Oliver doesn’t know anything. “You saw for yourself” she says. So I’m guessing he was at the groundbreaking. Oh my God it’s Tommy. LOL. If she was talking to Tommy she would call him Oliver and not her son, right? (Plus this dude looks old, judging by his neck.)

She also tells this man that Oliver has no idea the yacht was sabotaged. I called that one, sort of. I called it as in I considered the possibility and then dismissed it. Story of my life. Well I’m sure Moira shut down after the funerals because she had just killed her own son. But why was Robert being killed? Was he already trying to right his wrongs? Maybe it wasn’t just a death-raft decision.

The man Moira is speaking to is holding a notebook with the same mysterious symbol on it. I like all this mystery. I love it.

In a final flashback to the island we see Oliver get shot with an arrow. Then we see a hooded figure very very reminiscent, or preminiscent (that’s not a word. It is now!) of Arrow’s get-up. Very rude, shooting strangers like that. Dude was burying his father and you shoot him through the shoulder. Not very welcoming. Or maybe it’s a vision.

SO MANY QUESTIONS. I LOVE IT.

Oliver has his gravestone taken down, but first he sits down in front of his father’s and talks to him. I think it’s great that Thea’s speech had an impact. Even Oliver opening up to his dead father is still a move forward.

So, overall, still a very good episode. I hope this show maintains its momentum. I’ve learned that the pilot got very good ratings – best CW premiere since The Vampire Diaries. It just needs to keep those numbers. It still did pretty well the for the second episode –it lost some viewers, but that’s inevitable. It’s still doing well in key demographics.

I’m going to give a second shout out to fyeaholiverthea, a lovely tumblr of a, it turns out, fellow shipper (so yes, romantic chemistry, not just sibling goodness). A great source for GIFs and discussion and the like. And it looks like there is a livejournal in the works, too! Imagine if we all banded together and took over the fandom. Imagine if Oliver/Thea became the most celebrated ship on the show. We probably still wouldn’t get canon, but we might score some fanservice. (I’ve seen in happen on Supernatural. Over and over again.)

GIFs like this one, of Willa Holland when she was on Gossip Girl, and the delightfully ironic things she said.

And I just had a thought of a scene that I would die for. It came to me in my dreams, which should give you a sense of where my head is at. In the first episode, it’s stormy, and Moira comes into Oliver’s room and he freaks out on her. Some sort of wild, animal reaction. Wouldn’t it be the best thing if Thea heard him Oliver having nightmares or something, so she went it to wake him up and he ends up pinning her down and its all sexy. That’s just a fanfic waiting to happen.

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44 Responses to Arrow 2 – Honor Thy Father, or DON’T YOU KNOCK

  1. aK says:

    First of all, not to creep you out, but I LOVE YOU! XD

    I wasn’t sure if you were gonna’ post another ‘Arrow’ entry so soon, but after the “bedroom” scene in episode 2, I was just dying to know your reaction to it. So, thank you thank you thank you for this! 😉

    My jaw seriously dropped when Thea “ripped open” Ollie’s shirt and in my head I was yelling at Ollie, “Dude, if you want people to knock you need to CLOSE THE DOOR first!” X| And then I recalled a similar Carrie/Brody scene from ‘Homeland’ and started imaging Thea doing a Carrie to her brother, haha 😛

    You know, considering how much hype this show was getting, including – slightly among some people – the relationship (“Queen-cesty” or otherwise) between the Queen siblings, before actually airing, I wonder if we aren’t already being given fanservice. Sure, they won’t go all the way, but incest has gotten pretty mainstream enough these (or should it be “this”? Still haven’t quite figured out the rules of English ^^;;) past few years of TV history that I don’t think the writers of ‘Arrow’ are above messing with our minds. And no complaints there 😛

    Finally, a confession: I’m also in love with Tommy (I hope you don’t mind! >_<). I didn't think much of him at first, but Colin Donnell's portrayal reminded me so much of Nathan Fillion (who I obviously also love) in the first episode that I became a fan. And the more I see of him, the more attractive he gets, so yeah, thanks for all the Tommy screencaps ;D

    Thanks again for taking the time to write – you rock! XD

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Well, don’t be creeped out either, because I love you right back for this wonderful comment! It makes me so happy to think that you wanted to read my reaction to that scene. I hope it satisfied!

      I definitely had to do another Arrow entry after this episode. My jaw dropped too. I literally could not believe what I was seeing. They could have had her notice scars on his arm or around his neck while fully clothed, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY SHIRTLESS. Obviously they want us to ship it – there’s really no other explanation.

      It’s funny that you mentioned Homeland – I just finished watching the latest episode about 30 minutes ago. I can’t believe I didn’t remember the scene you’re talking about, but it’s coming back to me now. It just further supports the idea that these writers clearly do not know how to write Oliver and Thea innocently.

      I somehow missed most of the Arrow hype, certainly anything specific like who the characters were and what their relationships were. But once I’ve already decided to watch something, I usually don’t bother researching any more, especially if I have to wait for it. So that’s probably part of it too. I wasn’t participating in the eager anticipation crowd. But I’m thrilled to hear that Oliver/Thea already had some fans before the show started. I did see one gifset on tumblr that had clearly been made before the pilot aired. And, well, even seeing just one scene between these two would turn a lot of people into shippers.

      Consensual incest storylines do seem to be a bit more common these days, at least on cable. And I think that’ll just be more and more the case, especially thanks to the popularity of Jaime/Cersei and Game of Thrones.

      So, you’re probably not wrong in saying that we’ve gotten some fanservice already. I just hope they keep it up!

      I will have to kill you for having a crush on Tommy, though. Sorry.

      Actually, I’m so happy. Welcome to the fan club! Tommy supporters unite. It wasn’t love at first sight for me, either, but after I watched the pilot for the second time I was lost.

      And thank you for thanking me! You make me feel really appreciated. Thank you so much for commenting, and for fangirling with me!!!

    • Paris says:

      Shipcestuous, thank you for your thought provoking entries and I love your comedic writing.

      (Honor Thy Father is not as a whole as entertaining of an episode as the pilot – as in, I may only watch it three times instead of four times – I get bored during long action sequences), but I feel like Arrow’s got a body count most heroes wouldn’t have. That interests me. – This is actually the funniest scene, because Moira tells Oliver that he needs a bodyguard because he was already kidnapped once, and then there’s that crazy Arrow guy. Well, Moira, you were behind his kidnapping, and he IS Arrow. –
      Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the baddest-ass archer of them all, girl look at that body
      I work out. – But I think it’s kind of hilarious that Thea was the one who had a Wilson and not actual castaway Oliver.) LOL!!!!

      Does anyone else find this show has similarities to Cruel Intentions?

  2. Nick says:

    Although I’m not a big fanfic person myself, I absolutely love Arrow and it could be an epic show going forward. I absolutely love this show, being a huge comic book fan, but I even have my coworkers at DISH watching it, and they have never even read the comics. I am recording every episode with my Hopper so that I can re-watch them all after the first season is done. This could be an amazing show and I really hope that it keeps up the momentum, which I think it did in the second episode. I can’t wait for this week’s episode!

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I’m glad to hear that as a comics book fan you are enjoying it, because I think comic book fans tend to be the more critical ones, because they have so many expectations, which is perfectly understandable.

      Keep on spreading the word! Good for you. I agree, the second episode kept up the momentum of the pilot, and hopefully the third episode will too. I can tell you from experience that the episodes hold up really well to a rewatch, and I think the writers have it all planned out pretty well, which means that as more reveals come, we’ll be able to see the hints looking back.

      Thanks for the comment!

  3. anonymous says:

    I have one possible downer for us. On IMDB, it lists that Willa Holland only appears in 3 episodes of 11 that have been produced. However, this is IMDB which had mistakes like not including characters who were in an episode of a particular series. However, it might be that Willa Holland just couldn’t be in those episodes for some reason and/or that her character was sent to rehab. But here’s hoping that IMDB has just missed the mark.

    “The reason I’m mentioning all of this is because of Thea’s response – she asks, ‘What’s the matter, Mom? Afraid we’re going to be next?’ in reference to Arrow targeting the wealthy. Thea sounds like she thinks maybe they ought to be targeted. I wonder if this is a sign that she’ll share some of Oliver’s Robin Hood philosophy, and maybe end up as a sidekick?”

    I forgot about that. And it would even better if she progresses to becoming even more than a sidekick. Maybe at some point after several episodes showcasing their superhero relationship she mentions being a sidekick to Oliver and he counters with the word “partner”. For the average fan, it would just mean that Thea, instead of being a subordinate in the relationship, has gained equal footing. But for us, it would have additional romantic/sexual connotations. And by that time, hopefully, the average fan thinks, “She had better become Black Canary. Laurel and Tommy are great together. And these two are…woah.”

    Since we will probably not get full bore Oliver/Thea, I will begrudgingly accept some ship tease/innuendo from writers as long as they just keep away from Oliver/Laurel.

    “Cheating on Laurel with her sister was a horrible thing, but it’s not his fault that Sarah died.”

    Maybe he kind of believes that Sarah’s death and the death of his father were some sort of punishment for his actions when he was younger. Which would explain his ‘masochistic’ (great word choice) behavior in regards to Laurel. If he sees Sarah’s death was a punishment, then he would probably believe that he deserves Laurel’s wrath.

    “Seriously? The sexual-innuendo opportunity just keeps getting better and better, but it still won’t work!”

    Actually it might work in this instance. My take is that Thea either developed a crush on him before the accident or during her conversations with him at his grave stone. She might have even wanted him back so badly that she romantic/sexual fantasies and dreams about him. This created a slightly idealized image. So, Oliver’s behavior is different enough from her idealized Oliver that she’s having a hard time reconciling the difference. But when she starts learning just how damaged Oliver was by the experience, she understands why his behavior differs.

    “ICE CREAM. Yes. Perfect man. And he told himself that he ever got the chance to do it again, he would do it with Laurel. Seriously? Eating ice cream is like the perfect thing to do with your younger sister. Get out, Oliver Queen. We don’t want your decisions here.”

    Ah. But if eating ice cream is perfect for a younger sister, then Laurel and Thea could be seen as symbolically changing places. Laurel went from lover to sister, while Thea went from sister to lover.

    And I just realized that this might explain why Oliver has judged Thea so much. If Thea started fantasizing about Oliver, then it would be possible that Oliver did the same thing. Oliver started fantasizing (in a completely innocent way) about what type of young woman Thea would grow into when he was on the island but at some point, he started to develop romantic/sexual feelings (that he’s still in denial about) for the older version of Thea. That could explain why he doesn’t make any statement about how much she would have grown as you pointed out in the page for the first episode. He already had an image of what she looked like due to his idealized Thea. However, like Thea’s idealized version of Oliver, the idealized version has behavioral differences to the flesh-and-blood version. When he learns that the flesh-and-blood Thea is taking drugs and acting like he did when he was younger, he judges her because she isn’t acting like the fantasy version. And when he learns why Thea is acting the way she is, he’s ashamed at what a poor role model he was before the wreck.

    And this also might explain why he’s not yet opening up to Thea. On a subconscious level he knows what he will reveal about his feelings for her and he’s also getting the idea that she feels the same way. But he’s not yet ready to commit to that type of relationship with her. But when he does they’ll probably need to budget for constantly ripped clothing.

    “‘Is that surprise, or jealousy I’m hearing?’ Laurel asks. Don’t tease him, Laurel! My poor baby.”

    Maybe Laurel want Tommy to be jealous. She doesn’t use the term boyfriend to describe Tommy.

    “I’m still not clear on whether Oliver already knows or not. We saw him as Arrow watching over Laurel while she talked with Tommy about their little liaison, but did he hear? DID HE HEAR?”

    The scene where Laurel introduces Oliver to his friends might suggest that he knows. He places himself somewhat between Laurel and Tommy. Now, it could be that he’s trying to keep them apart because he’s jealous. But it might mean that he doesn’t have a problem with them as a couple, but that he’s trying to dissolve the tension between them.

    “So Oliver goes up on the podium, and drunkenly says that he can’t be his father. Thea gives him a hard look as he brushes past her.”

    What I found interesting is that this scene shows that it’s Thea rather than Laurel than knows him the best. His conversation with Laurel is what gives him the idea to act differently. However, he uses a phrase that Laurel used. So, Laurel might get the idea that Oliver is doing an act. But Thea seems to get the same idea without needing to know the circumstances that brought on his behavior.

    “And I just had a thought of a scene that I would die for. It came to me in my dreams, which should give you a sense of where my head is at. In the first episode, it’s stormy, and Moira comes into Oliver’s room and he freaks out on her. Some sort of wild, animal reaction. Wouldn’t it be the best thing if Thea heard him Oliver having nightmares or something, so she went it to wake him up and he ends up pinning her down and its all sexy. That’s just a fanfic waiting to happen.”

    Hmmm. Yes. And i definitely would like to see Oliver and Thea take turns smashing his gravestone with sledgehammers. Since we probably won’t see that on the series. So we might just have to have fanfiction about it. They would definitely work up a sweat…then work up a sweat. 😉

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I think that bit about Thea only being in three episodes must be a mistake. I saw a brief quote from an interview with her that alluded optimistically to what might be in store for her future as “Speedy”, and I did just a quick google search and nothing came up. So I think IMDB just got that wrong, although I can think of at least two characters on other shows that were killed off and IMDB was the first clue, so I can’t discount it entirely, though they are known for being unreliable often enough.

      You’re right that Thea being Black Canary, or at least being called a “partner” instead of a “sidekick” would further the Oliver/Thea subtext. We can hope!

      “Maybe he kind of believes that Sarah’s death and the death of his father were some sort of punishment for his actions when he was younger.”

      Yes, I do think this must be the case. It’s far from rational, but it fits with the way that he feels he’s righting his father’s wrongs. He sees it all as karmic probably. And it would seem he subscribes to a lot of eastern philosophy, what with the Hozen (sp?) he brought back for Thea, and with those tattoos he has (not that I know what they mean.)

      I agree with you – my headcanon is that Thea definitely had a bit of a crush on Oliver before he disappeared. So you’re right, we could still call Thea’s disappointment at Oliver not “want”-ing his “family” innuendo on her part. I think whether she had a crush on him or not, she had to have idealized him – while he was still alive, and then even more so while she thought he was dead. That’s sort of inevitable as a younger sister. So she has to deal not only with the fact that he has changed, but also with the fact that he was never exactly who she thought he was. I wish the show had been a little more explicit about that, because I feel pretty safe saying that’s a fair interpretation, but it’s still only an interpretation at this point.

      “Ah. But if eating ice cream is perfect for a younger sister, then Laurel and Thea could be seen as symbolically changing places. Laurel went from lover to sister, while Thea went from sister to lover.”

      OK, I love you. This is perfect. This is one of the ways I’m going to start reading/analyzing their relationships from now on. Oliver’s affections have transferred from Laurel to Thea, but he doesn’t want it or doesn’t understand it. So he keeps trying to force his relationship with Laurel, but is inadvertently now treating Laurel and Thea in the way that he actually feels about them, and not in the way of the pretense he is trying to maintain.

      You’re right, Oliver does seem remarkably reconciled to the idea that Thea is now 17 and not 12. (Even if he had been home the entire time, he still wouldn’t want his 17 year old sister out drinking and doing drugs. I don’t think he’s objecting to all of that because he still sees her as 12. In fact, he basically says as much during the party.) So I like the idea that he spent a lot of the time on the island thinking about how she’s growing up, and imagining what she looks like. That would explain why he never remarks on how grown up she is. (We certainly know the reason that line wasn’t included is not because the writers were avoiding possible subtext, LOL.) He had a lot of time to think while he was on the island (although clearly he was up to a lot of other stuff as well). So I think this is makes a lot of sense. And it’s perfectly possible that he started to fall for her (even without realizing it), especially the idealized version of her that he had created. It does explain, not just his tendency to be judgmental with her, but also just his general anger and impatience with her. I do think she was the one person that he thought it would easy to come back to.

      And yes, I would love to believe that part of the reason that she isn’t the person he chooses to open up to is because he’s afraid of opening up to her, even if it’s only on a subconscious level. He’s afraid of opening himself up to those feelings.

      I think Laurel does want Tommy to be a little jealous. I don’t think she was lying when she said she considered what happened with Tommy to be “lapses”, but I do think she has much more serious feelings for him than she realizes. And so when she noticed he was jealous, I think she just had to point it out. She was very particular in announcing that Oliver had invited her “last night” – she wanted Tommy to know. She wanted to judge his reaction. I do think she’s being a little cruel, because Tommy made it clear that he wanted to make a serious attempt with her, but I also don’t think she necessarily believed him.

      We need more scenes between those two!

      I didn’t consider the way Oliver put himself between Laurel and Tommy, but you’re right, he totally did. Although, if the show wanted us to know that Oliver had heard everything, I would have expected a much clearer visual cue. Him watching their reactions at seeing each other, something like that. I do think Oliver will be shown to be jealous. He thinks he wants Laurel back, so I don’t see him being totally OK with Tommy/Laurel, although I don’t think he would stand in their way, especially since they got together while they thought he was dead, and five years after it had happened.

      I wish I had noted in the entry that at the end of the first episode, Tommy still seems to be pursuing Laurel. But in this scene, after he hears that Oliver and Laurel are on much better terms, he has totally backed off, and just doesn’t want Laurel to tell Oliver anything for Oliver’s sake.

      I agree – the scene with Oliver pretending to be drunk shows that Thea knows him better now. Laurel and Oliver have a conversation on the very subject of Oliver taking a job at Queen Consolidated, but when he’s pulling off his charade, Laurel just seems to think he’s back to his drinking ways – she’s duped just like he’s trying to dupe everyone else. Now, I don’t know if Thea is exactly suspicious that he’s playing everyone, but she certainly is the most surprised to see him behaving this way. She knows that he’s not this guy anymore.

      I think we should send the writers a list of all the Oliver/Thea scenes we want, LOL. They really would need a budget for constantly ripped clothes.

      • anonymous says:

        “I think that bit about Thea only being in three episodes must be a mistake. I saw a brief quote from an interview with her that alluded optimistically to what might be in store for her future as ‘Speedy’, and I did just a quick google search and nothing came up. So I think IMDB just got that wrong, although I can think of at least two characters on other shows that were killed off and IMDB was the first clue, so I can’t discount it entirely, though they are known for being unreliable often enough.”

        IMDB says 4. I mistyped in my earlier post. But, yeah, the optimism of her interviews threw me after what I’d read on IMDB. At first, I thought that it might have been an older interview that had recently been posted until I finally confirmed that one of the interviews was given just this month at New Comic Con. Yay!

        “You’re right that Thea being Black Canary, or at least being called a “partner” instead of a “sidekick” would further the Oliver/Thea subtext. We can hope!”

        And it would be even better if she’s not called Black Canary even if it’s obvious that’s who she is. Right now we have Oliver referred to as “Robin Hood” or “vigilante”. So, why should we upset the trend?

        The post-Crisis on Infinite Earths comics, Black Canary became different people, a mother and her daughter. The first Black Canary had no powers, but knew martial arts. Her costume consisted of a wig, fishnet stockings, other stuff, and an unbuttoned jacket. She intially even had a domino mask before soon tossing it. The second actually had one superpower in the form of a “Canary Cry”. Like her mother, she knew martial arts. She was also an expert motorcycle driver. Her costume for a short time during the 80s was…awful and bit hard to describe. But then her costume went back to something more like the traditional version. And most modern takes on the costume take a few cues from the original. Here’s a good look at the differences in costume: http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/1/1f/Black_Canary_0002.jpg And both Canaries had a choker that functioned used like Batman’s utility belt.

        So, how would the series make it that’s obvious Thea is or is becoming Black Canary without making too obvious for people who might be uncomfortable with the implications? The first possibility is that Oliver gives Thea a choker as a gift for some occasion, either for her birthday or for Christmas. And then he could help her put it on and she holds up her hair as she does it. And if they really want to send the message, she only wears the choker when she’s working with her Ollie.

        Another way, is to have Thea wear a makeup domino mask like Oliver. It would make people think she’s becoming a combination of Roy Harper and Mia Dearden because they both wear domino mask. But then she could soon toss it like the original Black Canary but for different reasons. Maybe the makeup is messing with her regular makeup and the constant need to reapply is becoming bothersome.

        The use of fishnets at the beginning would probably be right out because it would probably be too obvious. However, an interesting variation would be to take take cues from second costume and make it substantially less awful. Yes, it might actually be actually possible to salavge that weird looking thing. Several of the costumes from the bulk of “Smallville” episodes were redesigns of the spandex costumes that are typically found in the comics while trying to keep something of the original. I think that one of the most successful redesigns was in the season 8 episode “Legion” with the Legion of Super-Heroes: http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/108/1083157/smallville-20100413035721136.jpg So, it might be possible for Thea to wear something like a blue and black jacket that has that wing motif emblazoned on the jacket rather than something that looks like it might hinder arm movements. Possibly an unbuttoned jacket to harken back to the original Black Canary.

        The series is unlikely to incoporate the “Canary Cry” as it is in the comics. However, there has been research into sonic weapons and directional sound technology has beeen developed. And I did read about a portable sonic weapon powered by nine-volt battery. Oliver seems to have quite a bit of technology loaded in his trick arrows so it’s not completely improbable that he could get Thea a choker that has a sonic weapon built in.

        And I just found a page that goes through carious Black Canary costume variations, som of which are WORSE than the weird one with the wing motif: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/agent-of-style-black-canary.html

        “Yes, I do think this must be the case. It’s far from rational, but it fits with the way that he feels he’s righting his father’s wrongs. He sees it all as karmic probably. And it would seem he subscribes to a lot of eastern philosophy, what with the Hozen (sp?) he brought back for Thea, and with those tattoos he has (not that I know what they mean.)”

        I can’t believe that it took me this long to remember. I’ve never read those comic, but at some point in the comics it’s revealed that Olliver has an illegiimae son and he was Green Arrow for when Oliver was dead for a period of time. He had no interest in romantic attachment because he was Buddhist monk. It attracted a large gay following due to this. One of the writers freaked out about this and put in a bunch of randoms exual encounter which did nothing for the comic because they didn’t go anywhere and were opposite of his already established.

        But we don’t want him celibate. We just want him celibate with anyone who’s not Thea. 😉

        “I think Laurel does want Tommy to be a little jealous. I don’t think she was lying when she said she considered what happened with Tommy to be ‘lapses’, but I do think she has much more serious feelings for him than she realizes. And so when she noticed he was jealous, I think she just had to point it out. She was very particular in announcing that Oliver had invited her ‘last night’ – she wanted Tommy to know. She wanted to judge his reaction. I do think she’s being a little cruel, because Tommy made it clear that he wanted to make a serious attempt with her, but I also don’t think she necessarily believed him.”

        I agree. Somehow I actually forgot to finish what I was stating in my post. She doesn’t use the term boyfriend, but I think on some level she does feel about him that way. And that would scare her. Which explain her cruelty in that scene. She feels something deeper, but doesn’t want to get hurt. So, she’s pushing him away.

        “I didn’t consider the way Oliver put himself between Laurel and Tommy, but you’re right, he totally did. Although, if the show wanted us to know that Oliver had heard everything, I would have expected a much clearer visual cue. Him watching their reactions at seeing each other, something like that. I do think Oliver will be shown to be jealous. He thinks he wants Laurel back, so I don’t see him being totally OK with Tommy/Laurel, although I don’t think he would stand in their way, especially since they got together while they thought he was dead, and five years after it had happened.”

        And the description for tonight’s episode has this: ‘Tommy and Laurel are caught in an awkward situation.’ I’m gueeing someone finds out about them or comess across them in passionate moment. If it’s Oliver, we’ll probably have a better idea then.

        “I think we should send the writers a list of all the Oliver/Thea scenes we want, LOL. They really would need a budget for constantly ripped clothes.”

        I’m trying to keep it (somewhat) clean. At least clean enough so that it doesn’t need to go to HBO. So clean…but not innocent.

        Training scenes: Take cues from Chloe and Oliver from “Smallville”. And have the characters put a little extra emphasis on words like “shaft”, “tension”, “release” and “penetrate”. And also “bullseye”.

        The aforementioned Oliver and Tommy saving Thea and Laurel scene: Maybe the old standby of creeping water levels. Oliver and Tommy dive in and when they finally pull them out, they react to Thea and Laurel in the EXACTLY the same way, even to the way they wrap each each in towels and hold them. And Thea and Laurel put their heads on Oliver and Tommy’c chests in exactly the same way too.

        • Shipcestuous says:

          (I haven’t seen tonight’s episode yet, I’m just responding to these comments.)

          I’m glad to hear that interview you saw with Willa Holland was done this month. I feel pretty confident she’s around to stay for now, but at least if she is killed off, it won’t have taken me completely by surprise. I don’t spend much time on Twitter, but following the actors and production crew is sometimes a good way to see who is around on set (aka who is still alive). I don’t know what the filming schedule is exactly, but if Willa was really only in four episodes, they’re sure to have finished with the ones that she is in.

          I know The Vampire Diaries’ writers considered themselves pretty audacious when they killed off one of their so-called regulars in the sixth episode of the first season – so it’s not unheard of – but I feel like she was probably written in order to be killed off. Oliver is already driven by his mission and the death of his father, so I can’t see Thea’s death having an effect worth killing her at this point.

          Sorry, I just keep trying to reassure myself.

          The pictures of the various costumes were helpful in imagining what Arrow might choose to do. It does seem like there are a lot of ways that Thea could become someone who incorporates parts of Black Canary’s look, or parts of the two Speedy’s looks. I like your suggestion of the domino mask, and how it would be sort of ambiguous. The choker would be a great hint, though. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t give one to Laurel.

          I could definitely see there being a technological “canary cry”. Given what Oliver’s arrows have been able to do so far, that doesn’t seem to be a stretch.

          In the comics Oliver had an illegitimate son who was a Buddhist monk? That’s kind of crazy. I’m guessing he got a woman pregnant during the time he was “lost”?

          “She doesn’t use the term boyfriend, but I think on some level she does feel about him that way. And that would scare her. Which explain her cruelty in that scene. She feels something deeper, but doesn’t want to get hurt. So, she’s pushing him away.”

          YES! I can’t believe my mind didn’t quite go there. I think in both scenes, with “lapses” and “is that surprise I’m hearing or jealousy”, she’s being a little cruel to drive him away. Because she doesn’t want to get hurt. Probably also because now that Oliver’s back, a part of her wants or thinks it wants to be back with him. And probably also because that’s what she thinks Tommy deserves, even though she has feelings for him that might tell her otherwise.

          You are seriously killing me with your description of Tommy and Oliver saving Laurel and Thea. I love everything about the way you’ve imagined it. GIVE ME ALL THE PARALLELS. If the writers wanted to slide in some incest subtext under the radar, the best way would be to set-up a bunch of perfect parallels between Tommy/Laurel and Oliver/Thea. I’m probably going to see them whether they put them there or not, LOL.

          Oh, and sign me up for training scenes with a little too much talk of penetration and release. Sounds like a perfectly innocent discussion about archery to me.

          • anonymous says:

            “(I haven’t seen tonight’s episode yet, I’m just responding to these comments.)”

            It is…pretty much GLORIOUS. I have one tiny problem with it. But it might not actually be an issue.

            “I know The Vampire Diaries’ writers considered themselves pretty audacious when they killed off one of their so-called regulars in the sixth episode of the first season – so it’s not unheard of – but I feel like she was probably written in order to be killed off. Oliver is already driven by his mission and the death of his father, so I can’t see Thea’s death having an effect worth killing her at this point.”

            Well, IMDB says that her next appearance after episode 3 is not for several episodes. But I also found a short excerpt of an interview Willa Holland did a couple of months ago where she mentioned something about how she’s stakeboarded for years and that she broke her ankle when either had to get hit by a car or bail and break an ankle. Now, if the ankle break occured during shooting, she just might not have been available for those episide rather than her character being written out based on the optimistic nature of her latest interviews. Of course, this assusmes that IMDB is accurate in this case. Of course, I hope that IMDB is wrong so can have more Queencest than we can handle.

            “The pictures of the various costumes were helpful in imagining what Arrow might choose to do. It does seem like there are a lot of ways that Thea could become someone who incorporates parts of Black Canary’s look, or parts of the two Speedy’s looks. I like your suggestion of the domino mask, and how it would be sort of ambiguous. The choker would be a great hint, though. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t give one to Laurel.”

            And I came up with an interesting variation that would harken back to what “Smallville” could’ve done (but in some ways actually couldn’t) in terms of doing Chlois that would make “Arrow” both memorable and very shipper friendly. But I’ll wait to post in the page for the next episode.

            “I could definitely see there being a technological “canary cry”. Given what Oliver’s arrows have been able to do so far, that doesn’t seem to be a stretch.”

            And it classifies as a sonic scream. And if it’s in the choker and activated by her voice, then there will definitely be times when she’s with Oliver that she’ll definitely need to remember to take it off.

            “In the comics Oliver had an illegitimate son who was a Buddhist monk? That’s kind of crazy. I’m guessing he got a woman pregnant during the time he was ‘lost’?”

            The when is kind of confusing for me because I don’t know that much about Connor and I think they also kept on rectonning age for some reason. And I remember reading that this actually became confusing to some of the writers.

            “You are seriously killing me with your description of Tommy and Oliver saving Laurel and Thea. I love everything about the way you’ve imagined it. GIVE ME ALL THE PARALLELS. If the writers wanted to slide in some incest subtext under the radar, the best way would be to set-up a bunch of perfect parallels between Tommy/Laurel and Oliver/Thea. I’m probably going to see them whether they put them there or not, LOL.”

            And then the episode can cut to Laurel and Tommy. Laurel can start removing Tommy’s shirt and fondling his shirt exactly like Thea did to Oliver’s shirt. And they engage in TV appropriate sex. Of course, the implication is that Oliver and Thea are doing exactly the same thing.

            And I wonder if this series if going to be like “Xena”. The first season actually wasn’t intended to have any lesbian subtext, but people saw it. When the writers learned about that, they actually started writing it in. So, if Oliver/Thea becomes really, really popular then the writers might just have to given and give us what we want…even if it’s just in innuendo and subtext. Really hot subtext. (That’s if they aren’t already doing it.)

            “Oh, and sign me up for training scenes with a little too much talk of penetration and release. Sounds like a perfectly innocent discussion about archery to me.”

            And here’s that Chloe/Oliver scene I mentioned before which was continued in a flashback in a scene from the next season…with their first kiss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouMamjLbO1M

            • Shipcestuous says:

              If you can believe it, I still haven’t watched episode 3. I always save the best for last and I have been exceptionally busy. But your use of the word “glorious” has made me even more excited than I already was, and I was already pretty darn excited. I have it downloaded and everything, I just keeping looking at it with longing and trying to eat my vegetables before dessert.

              That’s interesting info about her breaking her ankle. I would much rather that Willa Holland wasn’t able to be in those episodes than if the writers just didn’t include her. I hate for there to be a precedent for it to be acceptable for Thea not to be in an episode. But, like I mentioned in my first entry. I also don’t want a bunch of scenes of her off by herself at school or with her friends. So I guess I would prefer for her to not be in an episode than for there to be an unrelated subplot for her.

              “And it classifies as a sonic scream. And if it’s in the choker and activated by her voice, then there will definitely be times when she’s with Oliver that she’ll definitely need to remember to take it off.”

              LOL.

              “And then the episode can cut to Laurel and Tommy. Laurel can start removing Tommy’s shirt and fondling his shirt exactly like Thea did to Oliver’s shirt. And they engage in TV appropriate sex. Of course, the implication is that Oliver and Thea are doing exactly the same thing.”

              That’s even better than what I was thinking of! I was just imagining parallel “true love” narratives, with the implication that Thea was the one who truly loved Oliver and truly understood him, and vice verse through similar Tommy/Laurel and Oliver/Thea scenes. But if they set something up where Oliver and Thea have a scene that starts out exactly like a scene with Tommy and Laurel, only the Tommy and Laurel scene ends with sex and the Oliver/Thea scene is cut off, I mean I would DIE!!! It could be subtly done. No one who wasn’t looking for it would probably notice. I mean, a lot of people have picked up on the chemistry between Stephen Amell and Willa Holland, but I doubt they would be thinking enough about it to look at a set-up like that and figure out that there was an implication that Oliver and Thea were having sex.

              I didn’t know that about Xena. There was something similar on Supernatural for Sam and Dean (and Dean and Castiel, to a lesser degree) – they didn’t start writing subtext, though, it’s more like they added a bunch of fanservice dialogue. This is why I was saying it would be awesome if the Oliver/Thea shippers made a big splash. The more prominent we appear to be (there doesn’t even need to be a lot of us, we just need to be vocal), the more likely we’ll be noticed by the writers, and the more likely we are to have an impact on content.

              I watched that video of Oliver and Chloe from Smallville. Damn! What a hot scene. I can see why you have mentioned it. It’s not that far off from the shirt-ripping scene, honestly. I can see something just a little bit less intense than this actually happening between Oliver and Thea. All of the movements and touching could be exactly the same, just the camera cues – like Chloe looking at his hand when he put his hand on hers, etc. – couldn’t be as obvious. Here’s to hoping we’ll get something similar between Oliver and Thea. AND NOT OLIVER AND LAUREL.

              • anonymous says:

                “But your use of the word ‘glorious’ has made me even more excited than I already was, and I was already pretty darn excited.”

                All I’ll say right now is that it’s an episode that is conducive to our two favorite couples.

                “That’s interesting info about her breaking her ankle. I would much rather that Willa Holland wasn’t able to be in those episodes than if the writers just didn’t include her..”

                Fantastic information update! There have been spoilers posted in two places for episodes 4 and 6 that mention Thea. So, she’s still there. AND both spoilers mentioned interacting with Oliver (oh yeah) and Tommy. So, even if the ankle break occured during that time and that limited her movement for some of those episodes, the writers still found a way to keep her on set and relevant to the main plot. Something like that occured to Matthew Gray Gubler from “Criminal Minds” when he damaged his knee while dancing.

                “But if they set something up where Oliver and Thea have a scene that starts out exactly like a scene with Tommy and Laurel, only the Tommy and Laurel scene ends with sex and the Oliver/Thea scene is cut off, I mean I would DIE!!!”

                That’s even better than what I imagined. I imagined them saving Thea and Laurel and the episode just cut away to Laurel and Tommy alone somewhere else. Cutting away to Oliver and Thea alone and then cutting to Laurel and Tommy is so much better.

                “This is why I was saying it would be awesome if the Oliver/Thea shippers made a big splash. The more prominent we appear to be (there doesn’t even need to be a lot of us, we just need to be vocal), the more likely we’ll be noticed by the writers, and the more likely we are to have an impact on content.”

                This is why we need to get Oliver/Thea shippers who have good followings on Twitter, Tumblr, Livejournal, etc. to spread pics, fanfiction, animated pics, and the like far and wide. And make YouTube videos. I’ll post some ideas about some of these on the next episode page when you have created it. And on Fanfiction.net, someone posted three separate Oliver/Laurel (eww) fics, probably to try to stave off the amount of Oliver/Thea fics. Didn’t help. Oliver/Thea is still the most prominent relationship fic type there is with 6. And that’s not counting the two or three Oliver and Thea fics that don’t have Queencest.

                • Paris says:

                  I always look forward to your replies Anonymous and your excellent background information. You have also pointed out excellent symbolism, and brought things to my attention that I wouldn’t have thought about. (IE the green apple and the winking!)

                  I couldn’t believe my TV screen when I saw that shirtless scene! It was just so erotic! There are hardly even scenes like that in romantic films! I think it was so captivating was the fact he was trying to hide it and how she opened his shirt more, stared and touched. It wasn’t just “oh no your scars.”

                  Thea is the only one in his life actually reaching out to him on every level, Thea is like the shows voice of reason, but yet invisible to Ollie. Like his little genie in a bottle.

                  I think that could definitely be the case Anonymous, about Laurel and Thea symbolically changing places. Laurel went from lover to sister, while Thea went from sister to lover.

                  I am curious to know what Laurels motivation is to be so driven to catch bad guys? She is nearly obsessed and seems kinda young for that responsibility. She is the only one that is ever working late hours…

                  I am thrilled to hear that Oliver/Thea already had some fans before the show started, that just shows its impact. If we keep being part of the fandom and promoting it, who knows what will happen. Shipcestuous is spot on when she says it has worked on Supernatural. There was even an episode where a fangirl is reading aloud her fanfiction on the two!

                  I think it could definitely happen, Thea being a “partner” to Oliver, at least in respects to his vigilante work.

                  I think too that Oliver and Thea both fantasized about each other and had their own ideas of what they would be and now they are trying to come to terms with the conflict. Thea has become the brother that she knew, the drinker, drug taker, party animal. Oliver has almost even become an innocent Thea in some scenes. Willa has mentioned some of this in an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NzfchCZEM4). She also says the same stuff we said, that he is turned off by her new persona.

                  He doesn’t want her to be the old him. I think she is trying to be like him since he had been gone, she overtook his personality. Perhaps she missed him so much she slept in his bed?

                  Stephen has also said in an interview that he has a “weird” relationship with his sister.
                  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr0SSXQ1sw4&feature=g-vrec)

                  OMG if Oliver gives Thea a choker that would make my day! That holds a lot of symbolism! I love the idea of the collar, that is hot! Lol. And it even signals towards Oliver’s possessiveness over Thea. Did everyone notice that Thea was wearing a choker in episode 3?

                  I wonder if we are dissecting all this more than the writers. Obviously we will be on the right track if they put in those Chloe and Oliver Smallville scenes.

                  Is there incest or taboo stuff in any comics?

                  Sorry for my long post, I had a lot of thoughts and questions I was trying to get in while reading Shipcestuous’s wonderful commentary and after reading everyone’s comments. I have been trying to get this all together for a bit and do a reply. 🙂

                  • Shipcestuous says:

                    “Perhaps she even missed him so much she slept in his bed?”

                    LOVELY. That’s something they could even make canon if they wanted to without it necessarily being incestuous, and yet we would all be jumping up and down excitedly. It’s going to be a headcanon of mine. If I ever write a fanfic, I’m sure I’ll mention it, if you don’t mind. I think the idea of her becoming more like him because she misses him is interesting. Perhaps she even got into that whole world intentionally or unintentionally seeking to have friends/a boyfriend like Olive.r

                    Thanks for the interview links! I’m pretty sure Willa almost accidentally said “the love of your life” when she was talking about Thea seeing Oliver for the first time. I also love that the word “weird” and “odd” was used to describe the relationship. Obviously there’s an awkwardness because of what happened and the secrets he’s now keeping, but those words both lend themselves to other connotations.

                    I did not notice that Thea was wearing a choker!

                  • anonymous says:

                    “I always look forward to your replies Anonymous and your excellent background information. You have also pointed out excellent symbolism, and brought things to my attention that I wouldn’t have thought about. (IE the green apple and the winking!)”

                    I actually hadn’t noticed the apple on first viewing. I completely missed that. It was only this wonderful blog that brought it to mey attention. And it was only on rewatching that I noticed it was green.

                    “I think it could definitely happen, Thea being a ‘partner’ to Oliver, at least in respects to his vigilante work.”

                    Which reminds me of “Smallville”. One of the themes before the second group of showrunners decided to completely trample on the canon of the show was that Clark really wanted a partner. He wanted what his parents had. And there were MANY instances where Clark and Chloe were framed in scenes in EXACTLY the same way Jonathan and Martha were framed. Now, I don’t think the series will necessarily do something like this, what with Moira Queen or just the group she belongs to having something to do with the sinking of the Queen’s Gambit, but it would be interesting to have a flashback of Oliver’s parents do something like Thea did with Oliver’s shirt. Or something like that.

                    And some TWOPers have also mentioned as being a bit unhappy because Oliver isn’t the fun-loving guy he is in the comics. The problem for them is “Arrow” is definitely developing its own canon. However, it would interesting to see him developing a bit more of the fun side in terms of his mission while not losing sight of the mission. And this is where Thea could step in. Since the series seems to be taking some cues from “Smallville” as well as The Dark Knight series, it could be that the writers are setting up a proper Clark/Chloe dynamic. By setting up Thea as someone who knows him the best and also possibly smoothing off some of the rough edges she has developed, Thea can become someone who not only can get him to not only get him out of his funk and also become a family member who can become a secret keeper, but can also remember to have FUN with his crimefighting. It would be interesting to have Thea be the one to introduce less lethal armanents like boxing glove arrows. And while boxing glove arrows would be strange for the tone of “Arrow”, I could see Thea shooting him with one in a playful manner, especially after he is so adamant about not using them.

                    “He doesn’t want her to be the old him. I think she is trying to be like him since he had been gone, she overtook his personality. Perhaps she missed him so much she slept in his bed?”

                    1) But what’s interestesting is that her becoming the old Oliver seems to be foreshadowing. If she is the old Oliver right now, how long would it take for her to start becoming the new Oliver or a variation on the new Oliver? How long until she is influenced by the presence of the vigilante to want to become a crimefighter?

                    2) This happened. And she totally inhaled the scent from his sheets. And there were dreams that she had while in his bed. She’s in total denial of this, of course.

                    “OMG if Oliver gives Thea a choker that would make my day! That holds a lot of symbolism! I love the idea of the collar, that is hot! Lol. And it even signals towards Oliver’s possessiveness over Thea. Did everyone notice that Thea was wearing a choker in episode 3?”

                    Did not notice it. Watched the episode again and saw it. It looks like they were trying to keep attention off of it. Which makes me think it’s important.

                    “Is there incest or taboo stuff in any comics?”

                    While, I’ve never read it, “The Ultimates” has two of the main characters in a relationship. They’re siblings. It’s part of the Ultimate Marvel group of comics. And TV Tropes has various pages including Incest Yay Shipping – http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IncestYayShipping – and Incest is
                    Relative – http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IncestIsRelative

                    • Shipcestuous says:

                      I would love to see Thea bring some lightheartedness to Oliver’s life. He’s definitely not fun-loving at this point. I can’t see Laurel doing that. It’s got to be Thea.

                      Interesting thoughts on Thea going full circle by becoming old Oliver and then becoming like new Oliver, eventually. I think learning the truth about her father will have an important effect on her. I’m sure she’ll find out sooner rather than later, but I’d like to think that once she got a little bit older, Oliver would choose to tell her. It’s her legacy as much as it is Oliver’s.

                      Now picturing Thea smelling Oliver’s sheets.

                      “The Ultimates” actually came up during our chat on Saturday.

  4. JOY TO THE WORLD….I can’t express how excited I am to see you wrote another recap! I enjoyed your first one so much that I read it as slowly as possible to delay it from ending! Anyway, I’m about to go to sleep, but I wanted to post a pre-comment (lol) to thank you for writing another recap. I’ll write a more detailed review/comment tomorrow. Until then, happy shipping!

    P.S. This is the Tumblrblog girl again 🙂 I linked your recap to my site because I feel it’s required reading for all Oliver/Thea shippers…

    P.P.S. Seriously though, how can this show not expect us to ship them after that shirt/ripping scene?

  5. Okay, so here’s my real reply. First off, your review lived up to all my wildest expectations! I love to see that your mind is in the gutter as much as mine. (Also the only thing nearly as fun as your recap is the review section! You’ve inspired me with the fic ideas, so I might have to try one out!)

    *Loved your gif/photo summary of the last episodes. So hilarious and the best part is you don’t even have to make this ish up–it’s cannon!

    *I agree that Thea is punishing Oliver (as a fellow passive-agressive person when I’m bitchy lol, “game recognizes game.”) And I also agree that he’s reacting in shame, but also disappointment, because it’s so clear that THEA’S the person he wants there more than anyone else. I mean, I just loved the way he kind of waved everyone else off and said, “What about you?”

    *Omg, you’ve actually kind of got me shipping Laurel/Tommy now! Great, thanks a ton–now I’ll have two doomed ships! 😉

    *Loved your analysis of the “Don’t wait up scene”. You’re right that he (and by he I’m not even sure if it’s Amell or Oliver) has these very primal, emotional responses to Thea/Willa that we don’t see with anyone else on the show. I also agree that Amell and Holland should probably reconsider their acting choices if they don’t want to come off as romantic–but I’m hoping they don’t!

    I’ll have to also agree with the earlier poster who believes sexual innuendo does work here. I mean, I actually can barely believe the writers wrote these cliche-romantic tension lines for Siblings! (I wanted a lot….? Not me/your family?…Don’t wait up?) I mean there’s just so much UST already oozing between Willa/Stephen that it almost seems like the show’s exploiting it with material like this. But at the same time they couldn’t be, could they?

    Also, this is totally random: But do you notice how wide/dilated their pupils get when they talk to each other. Sometimes it’s almost like they won’t even blink. Seriously, I just CAN’T with these actors.

    *RE: THE Scene. Seriously, show? Seriously?! How did this make it past the cutting floor unless they WANT us to ship incest? Could the directors, etc not notice how sexually-charged this scene is? It’s really flabbergasting (but in the best way possible!)

    Also, I don’t think he was asking her “where are you going” in a controlling way necessarily, but more in desperation for her not to be angry with him/push him away.

    This is one of things I love most about/find most fascinating about their dynamic. They are two people who seem desperately in want of connecting with each other but are too damaged to. And I thought that whole “I don’t want to talk about it–where are you going” moment was a sign of that.

    *The Graveyard scene. I agree that it’s really touching how deeply Thea wants to connect with Oliver and that’s why I am incredibly sympathetic to her “bratty” responses. She can’t help but push a little, because she feels like she’s drowning.

    Also, I agree the Ice Cream/Laurel scene was totally a “WTF moment!” And I’m not saying this because I ship Oliver/Thea (I mean, I’ve already resigned myself to having to tolerate Oliver/Laurel). But, it just didn’t make sense–like most of their r/ship dynamic. First of all, who is that cozy with the ex who cheated on her with her sister who died? I think the show went WAY too far with that storyline, so even if Thea didn’t exist I already would be hesitant to ship this.

    Also, and perhaps this is more from a shipping perspective, I don’t buy that Oliver missed Laurel the most, etc. It’s really not congruent with the rest of plot (e.g. again cheating on her with her sister, bringing a hozen back for THEA, not Laurel).

    Well, sorry for this epically long post! But, basically I loved your recap. It literally made me LOL and squee at the same time! Hope you do more of them 🙂

    • Shipcestuous says:

      “Required reading”? fjkdajfkljkkj I’m not worthy. I do hope that most Oliver/Thea shippers will enjoy reading them if they decide to check them out. As a shipper, commentary is always one of my favorite things to read, but sometimes it’s hard to find. (Especially on tumblr, where it so often gets lost as tags or additions to other posts.)

      I’m glad that you’re truly enjoying the recaps. I mean, it’s always nice to know there’s another hardcore shipper out there, but your enthusiasm for my recaps really made my day!

      I haven’t started searching for fanfic yet, but there’s never enough, so you should definitely try one out, especially if you’re feeling inspired! I think, particularly with these two, there are a lot of scenarios that could end up in a shippy place. I made that joke about taking over the fandom, but truly, the more productive us Oliver/Thea shippers are, the more attention the ship will get. And with a brother/sister pairing like this one, the more people encounter others who ship it, the more they’ll feel comfortable doing so.

      “And I also agree that he’s reacting in shame, but also disappointment, because it’s so clear that THEA’S the person he wants there more than anyone else. I mean, I just loved the way he kind of waved everyone else off and said, “What about you?””

      Oooh! I think you’re completely right. He did just sort of wave everyone else off. I focused on the shame on his face, but it could totally be disappointment too. I think he was probably also responding to the fact that she was punishing him. He could probably sense how displeased she was with him, and that she wasn’t going because of that, and so that was affecting him as well.

      YOU MUST SHIP TOMMY AND LAUREL. I need to work harder on converting others to this ship because I want everyone to love it as much as I do. (And to suffer with me, mwah ha ha ha ha.) I mean, it’s a fantastic ship all on its own, but it could not work out better that it’s the complement of Oliver/Thea. Just think: if everyone shipped Tommy and Laurel instead of Oliver and Laurel, then Oliver would loose his love interest and be all alone. And Oliver alone is just code for Oliver/Thea. That’s the best we’re going to get.

      I’m glad you think the innuendo for the “don’t wait up” scene works. I was focusing on Oliver wanting things while he was on the island, but Thea’s side of it totally makes sense. I can just imagine the writers sitting down in their little writing room putting down what they considered to be perfectly innocent dialogue. Then they’re watching the episode in post-production and yelling about how Stephen and Willa have gone rogue and how it was never supposed to be like that.

      “But do you notice how wide/dilated their pupils get when they talk to each other. Sometimes it’s almost like they won’t even blink. Seriously, I just CAN’T with these actors.”

      I hadn’t noticed that, but I think it’s more that I hadn’t yet figured out what I was noticing. They do stare at each other so intensely – that must be part of what makes it so intense. They just seem so wrapped up in each other when they’re talking to each other and looking at each other.

      “*RE: THE Scene. Seriously, show? Seriously?! How did this make it past the cutting floor unless they WANT us to ship incest? Could the directors, etc not notice how sexually-charged this scene is? It’s really flabbergasting (but in the best way possible!)”

      THIS. I will be laughing hysterically about THE scene forever.

      “Also, I don’t think he was asking her “where are you going” in a controlling way necessarily, but more in desperation for her not to be angry with him/push him away.”

      Oh no, I was just joking about being controlling. Like he was the stereotype of the girlfriend who needs to know where her boyfriend is every second of every day. I think he was asking her not because he really cared where he was going, but because he didn’t want their interaction to end on such a sour note. He had just pushed her away, so he was pulling her back a little with the question.

      You’re very right about the way they keep wanting to connect to each other, but are too damaged to achieve it. There’s a lot of push and pull. Oliver wants to keep her close but without revealing any of his secrets or talking about what he’s been through, and he’s learning that that’s not working, it’s not possible. And every time Thea is disappointed with him – whether it’s because he’s being distant or judging her – she pushes back, which just puts them even further apart.

      “Also, I agree the Ice Cream/Laurel scene was totally a “WTF moment!””

      I know, right? We just had this beautiful scene of Thea trying to reach out to him, begging him to open up to her. So of course he goes over to Laurel’s. What? I didn’t even go into the fact that I was astonished they are moving so quickly with Oliver and Laurel’s reconciliation. I thought she got over her initial anger pretty quickly in the first episode, but at that point she was just being kind to him and apologizing for saying such hurtful things. Now she got over being angry with him again AND they are in her apartment at night eating ice cream together and talking about things. And Laurel hinted to Tommy that she considered it to be significant. At this rate they’ll be back together by the next episode.

      I don’t buy that Oliver missed Laurel the most either!

      Thanks for the comment!!!! I love discussing this show and these ships. Don’t ever feel like you’ve written too much because I want to hear all of it. Hopefully there will be enough Oliver/Thea scenes in episodes to come to justify more entries. Though it’s hard to imagine them topping THE scene.

  6. Beast of the Sea says:

    …She may not fondle his chest, but she sure fondles his clothing.

    Damn.

    I don’t watch TV, but I sure as heck ship this now.

    (By the way – congrats on being alive! 😀 SO good to see this blog update again. Sorry that I don’t have any ships to recommend, but it seems you’ve got enough to keep you satisfied right now regardless! 🙂 )

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I’m glad to see I haven’t lost you! Yes, I am still alive. I love this blog so much but sometimes I just get so focused on other things. And yes, I definitely do have enough ships to keep me busy, but I always love hearing about more when they occur to you. I’m glad you approve of Oliver and Thea!

      She certainly does fondle his clothing! That GIF was a little bit slower than what it looked like in real time watching the episode, but that does not change what her hands were doing.

      • Beast of the Sea says:

        I did check about monthly, but I figured you were on hiatus due to a lack of good TV shows. 😐 It’s really bad on LiveJournal – the lack of good fandoms for people is palpable.

        Good to see you’re back, though!

        “She certainly does fondle his clothing! That GIF was a little bit slower than what it looked like in real time watching the episode, but that does not change what her hands were doing.”
        I was actually talking about the second GIFs with that scene, but the first ones (https://x4ashes4ashes.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/arrow-honor-thy-father-oliver-and-thea-queen-stephen-amell-willa-holland-gif-38.gif?w=640) – did you catch her running her palm down his shirt (and part of his arm) before stopping and grabbing it?

        If they wanted to make it platonic, they should have made the scars much more dramatic, in my opinion. That way, the thoughts going through her head would have seemed more along the lines of ‘Oh, hey, abs – OMG, look at those SCARS! *nearly passes out*’ rather than ‘Oh, hey, scars – OMG, look at those ABS! *nearly passes out*’

        And oh good heavens, her “confrontational” posture. I didn’t see it earlier because I was falling-over-tired, but now that I’m rested – She DOES look like she’s trying to seduce him!

        • Shipcestuous says:

          Yeah, I haven’t found my current TV shows particularly exciting. I mean, I still look forward to new episodes each week, but this is the first time in a while that I just can’t get enough of a TV show.

          OK, I did think that you were talking about the GIF that takes place a few seconds later, but what I said about her hands doing crazy things definitely still applies! I did not notice just how much she really does slide her hand down his arm.

          You’re so right about taking away a lot of the sexual tension of the scene by making his scars more dramatic. I can see why they wouldn’t want to commit to that much makeup, just because he’s had shirtless scenes every episode (a trend that I sincerely hope continues), but even just a little bit coloring or something so that they stood out would have not made it seem like she was just staring at his abs. Don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t be happier they failed in that respect. And the funny thing is, the most dramatic scar he has is on his lower back – it’s the one she saw when she first showed up at his door, but that’s not even the one she tried to get a closer look at.

          I’m glad you agree about her seeming a little seductive when she takes a step towards him when she’s confronting him. I mean, there’s definitely some contempt on her face, but the movement of her body suggests something else. Without the dialogue, I think it looks a lot more like a fight between a couple than a brother and sister. And the funny thing is, during that very moment, what’s actually being discussed is her displeasure that he does “want” his “family”.

        • Paris says:

          In every scene she is trying to seduce him, lol. Maybe that is just Willa! She is always sort of a seductress in a lot of her roles. But you’re right, the way she carefully pushes back the shirt and touches him and how she is looking at his whole body is pretty suggestive.

  7. redbanker says:

    Hey just to let you know I’ve written 3 stories for Arrow so far and they are all Oliver/Thea, because you’re right they have the best chemistry ever!!!! Anyway I’d love to here what you think, you can find them here: http://oliverxthea.livejournal.com/

    Have a good one.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      A second Oliver/Thea livejournal? That’s fabulous. I’m SO glad that you’re writing fanfics for the pairing, because the more the better. I will definitely be reading them as soon as possible.

  8. Brittany says:

    Can I write that fanfiction based on your dream, please? It’s stuck in my head now and I need it like air.

  9. Shipcestuous says:

    I don’t know how many of you are going to see this, but I just wanted to announce that I am working on my post for episode 3. I realize that it’s already Tuesday afternoon, and I hate for there to be so little time for us to discuss before the next episode, but it’s just one of those weeks and I am behind. The entry is already written out, I’m just adding pics. Even that takes a while but I hope to have it published in a few hours.

  10. Burton Holderness says:

    Okay now it’s stuck in my head too damn it!!! LOL! I might have to write it as well, I might also have to rewrite the scene where Thea see’s Oliver’s scars for the first time cause that one was full of ship moments that are just too powerful to ignore. In the meantime You definitely need to check out the ones I already wrote, I don’t think I’m bragging when I say they are extremely hot. LOL! Have a great one.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I will read them. My Oliver/Thea shipping is such that I need fanfic and the more the better and the hotter the better.

      I would love it if you rewrote the scar scene, because as good as it was on the show, you just know it could be so much better as a fanfic. Even just a inner monologue of their thoughts during that scene without changing what actually happened still has a lot of potential.

      And I think it’s pretty clear I’m in favor of my little fantasy being written up. It would make a great oneshot.

  11. redbanker says:

    Okay I could have sworn I’d already posted this but now it’s not there so I’m reposting and if there are two you can delete one. I finished the story and I can’t believe I wrote it at all much less at work when I had two hours left to be all hot and bothered. LOL. You can find it and all my Arrow stories here: http://oliverxthea.livejournal.com/ the new story is Primal Unleashed or you can find my work on ff.net here: http://www.fanfiction.net/~redbanker
    Primal is based off the shirtless scene in Honor Thy Father, I left the dream for Brittany since she did call dibs. LOL Can’t wait for the new post.

  12. I just adore your writing style, a mixture of over-the-top reactions and serious digging under the rocks for tiny clues, many of which I had missed while watching the show.

    Anyhow, please continue your good work!

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Wow, thank you! It means so much to hear that, you have no idea. I’ve kept up with Arrow, of course, but I miss being as deeply immersed in it as I was back when I wrote these entries on the first part of the season. It was fun being able to catch some of the smaller stuff and make connections.

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