Oliver/Thea Goodness in Arrow 1.03 – Lone Gunmen

Here it is, finally!

My title mojo is gone. Oh well. (Or maybe I never had any???) There’s nothing wrong with short and to the point.

That’s why I call this blog Shipping Brother/Sister Incest (on TV and in Movies). I want you to know exactly where you are and exactly what you’re getting. I don’t want anyone here who doesn’t want be here. Of course, I have to wonder if the title is the reason more of you haven’t subscribed. Maybe you don’t want the word incest randomly popping up in your inbox. I totally get that. But I do recommend subscribing, so that you get an e-mail every time I make a new post.

this isn't my lovely editOK, I don’t want to give any of you the impression that I’ll be writing about every single Arrow episode (links to the earlier entries: episode one, episode two), but I’m at a point where I’m still really excited about how much I love Arrow, and how wonderful my ships are, and how attractive Oliver Queen and Tommy Merlyn are – so, for this week at least, I am writing again. I really love discussing the episodes with you guys, so please comment if you have thoughts, and be sure to subscribe to the comments as well because they are full of clarifications, elaborations, alternate theories, and fanciful imaginings of possible scenes and fanfics. I would hate for you to miss out on all of the great stuff born of those post-entry discussions.

Further opening business: there is now a second livejournal for Oliver/Thea here, with some, I believe, exclusive fanfic postings. So if you’re hungry for more fanfic and community, head on over there. Although I would strongly encourage all of you, if you’re a fanfic writer, to crosspost on Fanficion.net and/or Archive Of Our Own – not only will get more readers/reviewers, but it’ll make more of a splash in the fandom.

I have a dream. That dream is all of the Oliver/Thea shippers united. Of pages upon pages of Oliver/Thea fanfic. Of galleries and galleries of Oliver/Thea fanart and graphics.  Of 30 different GIFsets for each Oliver/Thea scene. Of blogs and messageboards and forums bombarded with favorable Oliver/Thea discussion. Of Stephen Amell and Will Holland blushing and unable to look each other in the eye because of what they have seen and read on the internet.  Of executive producers telling us to calm down on Twitter. And of Oliver/Laurel shippers crying and gnashing their teeth. It’s a beautiful dream, and we can make it happen.

(Excuse me. I have something in my eye.)

Oh, and I have zero authority to be saying this, but I think we’re going with “queencest” as the official shipname? Any consensus contrary to this that I’m not aware of? I like queencest over the alternatives because there’s no chance of confusing it for just a platonic brother/sister family ship. But it also forces you to outright say you ship it when tagging it that way, which might make some people uncomfortable. But uniqueness and consistency are the most important things, I think. Ship names are important for places like tumblr where tagging is how many posts are found. Or Google images. Places like that. Think how wonderful and useful it would be, knowing that every time you saw the word “queencest” it meant you had found Oliver/Thea content.

Have you all heard the good news? Arrow was picked up for the rest of the season. HELL YES. Whatever the future of the show, we at least know that there will be 19 more episodes. That’s a lot of episodes. And I hope hearing that the show is on solid ground will bring in even more viewers.

And one more note: sorry I’m so late this week! I realize it’s almost time for 1.04. Things conspired. But I guess you can think about this as a nice refresher, getting you all jazzed up for the new episode. I am going to check back more often to see if there are comments, so please do still discuss even though we’ve only got about 24 hours until the next new episode.

I found this episode to be exhausting! My emotions were all over the place. There was laughing, and squeeing, and crying, and terror, and anger, and above all: sexual frustration. Am I right?

Not gratuitous at all.

So, we start out, like in the episode before, with Oliver Robin Hooding it up. He’s doing his usual thing – shooting some warning arrows, telling some douchebag to make some sort of amends or else – when the corrupt businessman of the week (CBMOTW) gets shot right in front of him by a sharpshooter. Now, it’s only the third episode, but I was already tiring of the formulaic set up: Laurel tries a case, Oliver tells her defendant to do something, they don’t do it, Oliver visits again and gets it done. So I was pleased to see this episode turn all of that on its head – not only was Laurel’s lawyering not relevant to Oliver’s plot, but Oliver was not pursuing a CBMOTW!

The shooter is a professional assassin nicknamed Deadshot by INTERPOL. Oliver identifies him by the poison on his bullets, after realizing he has been poisoned himself by one that grazed his arm. He makes it back to his lair in the basement of the abandoned Queen Industrial warehouse and sews up his wound. I suppose this is a skill he picked up on the island. I guess he’ll have another scar for Thea to innocently stare at. What he needs is a doctor friend who doesn’t ask any questions. He’s back in civilization now – he doesn’t need to do this himself anymore with these crude tools!

I rewatched the pilot, and picked up on a line from the doctor in one of the first scenes that I had never noticed before. The doctor tells Moira that Oliver has 15 fractures that never healed properly. It made me think of that scene in The Dark Knight Rises when the doctor tells Bruce Wayne that he doesn’t have any cartilage left in his knee. These poor boys and their worn out bodies. I just picture Oliver’s bones shattering like the glass man in Unbreakable.

Ollie gets a little woozy, and realizes that he must have been poisoned. He rushes over to his beloved chest, pulls out some pine needle looking things and swallows them with some water. He wakes up the next morning totally fine.

Obviously.

Pretty lucky that his little antidote herbs worked for the very rare poison that was on the bullet. Unless it’s some sort of magical antidote for every poison, in which case why isn’t that on the mass market? Seems pretty selfish to keep that a secret.

Oliver heads home in a hurry, though since his excuse is likely to be an assignation of some sort, I don’t really see what it matters that he came home the next morning rather than late the night before. He walks into the living room to see several uniformed policemen. John Diggle (*giggling* – still not over it) is standing to the side, maintaining his professional bearing. Oliver asks if Thea is OK. Awwww: his first thought.

We learn that Thea and her friend got drunk, broke into a shop, and tried on dresses. LOL. Oliver Queen’s younger sister, ladies and gentlemen. It’s exactly the stupid sort of drunken stunt we learned about him doing – like stealing the taxi, or peeing on the cop. It’s not something you expect to get away with. It’s just something that you do because it’s stupid.

But first, Oliver understands that Dig is probably wondering why Oliver got up from dinner to go the bathroom and never came back until just then. Yeah, that’ll fly, Ollie. That’s not going to raise any questions later on. I think it’s kind of hilarious, but then I think that Thea was probably at dinner, and he’s a jerk for it. I mean, it’s one thing to leave dinner early. But if you say you’re going to the bathroom, you’re giving everyone the impression that you’ll be coming back.

I picture Thea eagerly anticipating his return, pushing peas around on her plate.

But I guess he had to say it was only to the bathroom or else John Diggle (STILL NOT OVER IT) would have followed him. So Dig says that now he’ll have to watch Oliver pee.

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And I can’t be sure but I think instead of Dig I’m going to have to start calling him Flirty McFlirtysons. John Diggle/David Ramsey’s expressions of wry, patient, judgmental frustration have always come across a little bit like sexual interest but it has gotten out of hand. Like, try not to look so much as if you want to watch him pee. The cops funnel out, leaving Moira to tell Thea to go get ready for school. Thea wants a sick day, and Moira agrees, leaving Oliver to gape at his mother’s decision. (I got a pretty good laugh out of his face.)Thea passes by him, doing a mocking little dance,

Then tells him he looks like crap, and is gone.

(Do you see the way he’s pressing his lips together angrily?)

Now, Oliver had a rough night – he was shot, poisoned, and slept on the cement floor of an abandoned warehouse. But he looked just fine to me. Fine and fine and fine. So Thea must just be very perceptive. Dig McFlirtysons didn’t comment on Oliver looking like he had been through hell. So it must be Thea’s interested, observant eye that picked up on it.

(This is exactly the kind of ridiculous over-analyzation that you love me for, right?)

Or she was being ironic, because she was the one who looked like crap. Her make up was all over the place and her shirt was half tucked in, half tucked out. I won’t go into Thea’s sense of fashion – which mystifies me (although I suppose having to wear school uniforms makes her dress out in rebellion) – except to say bless her blouse.It was white and sheer, and you could see her BLACK bra underneath. It was Oliver’s turn to see some of the goodies after Thea’s peepshow last week.

A helpful diagram for you.

Oliver turns angrily to their mother and lectures her on parenting. He points out, quite rightly, that the laid-back method she tried with him didn’t exactly work out. Moira’s appeasement method does not seem to be reaping the results she’s hoping for.

Oliver is so controlled all of time – detached, regulated – so I love that Thea makes him burn. When Thea tries to get a rise out of him, she gets it. And right away. We’ve seen the opposite with Laurel – she says her worst, and Oliver just smiles back.

Oliver has decided to turn the abandoned warehouse into a nightclub. The idea is that it’ll hide the lair, and be a useful explanation for where he is at night. At first I did not like the idea – it seems to me that he’ll spend less time at home if he has a place to run. And there’s something else about it that bothers me that I can’t quite put my finger on. But then I thought, THEA LIKES NIGHTCLUBS! And while Oliver was sewing up his injury, I was thinking to myself how sad it was that no one would ever walk in on him. And now they might!

I’m sorry, Oliver, but your not-very-little basement lair isn’t exactly a secret room – people are going to know it’s there. They are going to wonder what’s down there. I don’t understand how he thinks he can keep people out of there. I don’t think putting a lock on it and telling them that the west wing is forbidden is going to do the trick – it’s only going to incite curiosity, especially with Tommy and Thea.

Oliver brings Tommy around to show it off, even though they were just there in the pilot and take it from me, it’s not much to look at.

He points out the prospective private office. For “private one-on-one meetings,” Tommy euphemizes. And “hopefully for the occasional two-on-one meetings,” Oliver adds. Is it bad that I so desperately want him to be the hound dog he is pretending to be? Aside from the fact that his so-far elusive sexual appetite turns me on (and I wouldn’t mind putting a further wedge between him and Laurel), I just feel like he would be living less of a lie if he would just get around a little. Keeping secrets is one thing, but I find it very hard to deal with the fact that he’s pretending to be an entirely different person. Not just to the public but to his intimates. But I think that it’s good that I feel this way. It shows how invested I am in the character and in his relationships. I hate these lies between him and Thea and him and Tommy so much.

Tommy points out, quite reasonably, that Oliver isn’t exactly a seasoned businessman:But Oliver is perfect, so I’m sure his business will be a roaring success. This seems to be his line of reasoning as well: the warehouse is in a poor part of Starling City called the Glades. Dig doesn’t think Oliver will be able to attract rich, white clientele to that part of town but Oliver thinks that people will wait three hours in line to go to his club. I would wait three days, so I guess he’s not wrong. Still, what an ego! But I guess the whole “I’m-kind-of-a-big-deal” shtick is part of the act.

Or not.

Dig goes into a little rant about Oliver having a white-knight complex (because he talks about gentrifying the neighborhood), “sweeping in to save the disenfranchised”, which was all a little too self-aware in terms of the show itself for me to enjoy. He comes off as extremely judgmental, but I guess if I had to follow some rich a$$hole around all day, I’d probably jump at the opportunity to say something judgmental as well.

Tommy receives a text and has to leave right away. WHO IS SENDING YOU A TEXT, TOMMY? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT YOU. I don’t think it was suspicious, necessarily, I just want to know more about his life. Does he have a job? What does he do?  Where did he go to college? What did he study? What are his parents like? Where does he live? What are his favorite movies? Cat person or a dog person? Boxers or briefs?

Stephem Amell’s voiceovers are still lacking. The dialogue isn’t anything special, but he’s not doing it any favors. And it’s funny, because there are so many lines that I could point to and say that I love how he delivered them. But the voiceovers are just so lifeless and clumsy.

Well, remember how I said the episode was exhausting? The following scene is one of the reasons why. It was one of the emotional dips. Joanna finds Laurel reading an article online about Oliver starting a nightclub. (Wow, he moves fast.) Laurel tries to hide the fact that she was reading the article, then acts all flustered, and protesteth too much, as they say, to Joanna’s accusations that she’s not over Oliver. All of this pointing very obviously to the fact that she is very obviously not over Oliver.

The pen in her mouth was particularly damning:But just to give you a sense of how horrible this scene was, THAT’S NOT EVEN THE WORST PART. The worst part is when Joanna – who, for whatever reason (she says the cheating but what about changing on the island and second chances, Joanna? Huh?) is dead set against Oliver – reminds Laurel that the only physical relationship she has had in those five years is with Oliver’s best friend, and so she has clearly not moved on.

DO NOT WANT.

First of all, how much does it suck that Laurel was so hung up on Oliver that she hasn’t had a boyfriend in five years? She says that she works a lot, and God knows that’s true, but she would have made time for a boyfriend if she had found one. I do not need this true love baloney in my show.

But the real kicker is the bit about Oliver’s “best friend”, because the implication is that Laurel only “lapsed” with him out of an attempt to connect with Oliver. Tommy isn’t Tommy – he’s Oliver’s “best friend”.

N.O.

Jo, you are unforgiving and you are wrong and we don’t want your logic here, please leave.

This is certainly a step down from when Tommy was referred to as “your cute friend” in the pilot. Tommy, Jo is not on your side. She can’t even be bothered to learn your name even though she’s Laurel’s best friend.

I have to say, it does look bad – Oliver cheating on Laurel with her sister, and Laurel “cheating” on Oliver with his best friend. It’s like they both chose the cheating lite option: Want to have sex with someone besides your true love but don’t want to venture too far? Want someone like your true love but just a little bit different? Don’t have the time or the energy to meet new people? How about stepping out with a close friend or family member of your beloved. All the thrill of an affair with twice the help of keeping the secret and half the emotional distance! Great for awkward dinner parties and drunken confessions. Choose Cheating Lite!

But, then again, there are only so many characters on a TV show, and the most dramatic option is always the best. Maybe it’s not meant to mean anything. Except that we have Jo pointing one half of it out! And how come no one is saying, “Yeah, Oliver cheated on you, but with your sister!” That doesn’t make it any less of a selfish and hurtful action, but I don’t think it’s insignificant, either, that it was her sister.

Jo gets Laurel to agree to go out that night. (It’s to be expected that they’ll run into Oliver and Tommy who have already made plans to check out the “competition”, aka a new club called Poison. Really? Poison? A little on-the-nose, isn’t it? And why would you call your nightclub Poison?) I’d suggest they get drunk and break into a clothing store – that’s what all the kids are doing these days.

Moira takes Oliver’s advice to heart and grounds Thea. Thea is a little flabbergasted at first. I don’t get the sense that she has really ever been punished. She figures out pretty quickly that Oliver is responsible and has pushed his judgy agenda onto their mother. She calls it his “judgmental hypocrisy”, and it’s easy to see why Thea would feel that way about it after his drunken speech at the Applied Sciences Center’s groundbreaking ceremony at the end of last episode. I have to keep reminding myself about what these other characters – Dig, Thea, etc. – are seeing and not what I know.

I can’t not mention the part where Oliver climbs a freaking wall. This I buy, because the island was quite rocky and hilly.

But he seemed a bit showy about it. Like it’s the Olympics wall climbing routine. What song did he choose? Eye of the Tiger? What I find less buy-able is Oliver testing out the poisons and studying the bullets and all of this CSI crap that he learned where, exactly?

The biggest WTF is probably all of his state-of-the-art computers and software. I’m pretty sure you need a masters in information technology just to know how to hook all that shit up.

And did he hack into INTERPOL?

Well, Oliver tracks Deadshot to the Russian mafia, which he conveniently and obviously is a part of.

I mean WHAT? And he’s not just in the Russian mob (called “Bratva”), he’s a “captain”. That’s the significance of his shoulder tattoo. It made me think of the “stars” in Eastern Promises. An actual Russian, Viggo Mortensen’s character had to play babysitter to his boss’ unstable son for years and years and was still only a lackey. But not Oliver Queen. Well, we know where he learned Russian now.

I’m just really confused. Oliver starts out on the island – we see him drift there on the raft. And he ends on the island five years later, his hair so out of control that it’s obvious he has been living as a wild man for some time. But at some point in the middle he met up with the Russian mob and joined them? Not just joined them, but played them? (Because it’s obvious that he does not agree with their ideals. Deadshot is a hitman, associated with the Bratva, and Oliver wants to take him out because he’s an assassin.) But even though he’s a captain, they leave him on the island?

I’m willing to just accept that it doesn’t make sense right now because I don’t have the whole picture. I like the piecemeal flashbacks of the island we’ve been getting. Because I want to know that story, but I don’t want to watch it all at once in one entirely-flashbacks episode.

Oliver contacts the Bratva, and gets a location for Deadshot, who, conveniently, stays in the same hotel room at the same hotel whenever he comes to Starling City. Oliver attacks, but Deadshot gets away. However, Oliver is able to make off with Deadshot’s laptop.

OK, the club scene. It is time.

Oliver leaves Dig behind at the door. Apparently there’s a list, and John Diggle just isn’t on it.

I think he should be let in on merit of his name alone, but I guess those lists don’t work that way. I think Tommy and Dig are starting to develop an almost camaraderie – Tommy shrugs apologetically at Dig as they walk away. He gave him a goodbye arm-pat earlier at the warehouse, and then they were both abandoned together at the courthouse at the beginning of 1.02. I think Tommy’s just so easygoing that he’s the type to be really friendly to everyone he meets.

I feel pretty bad for Dig here. I mean, Oliver doesn’t need to shake him. He doesn’t have Arrow business planned. I suppose it’s possible that Oliver doesn’t want him intervening with Max Fuller, the owner of Poison – Oliver slept with Max’s fiancée at the wedding rehearsal dinner. He knows that if he runs into Max that there will be a fight. Tommy doesn’t seem to think it’s a very big deal.

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(I just need them to be bestest friends forever, OK?)

Tommy spots Laurel almost right away. She’s standing off at the bar. I appreciate that she’s not a clubber, because I sure am not. In fact, Laurel and I are quite alike. She works overtime making a difference in court. And I change lives by writing silly recaps of her TV show.

Of course Tommy is the one who spots her.

The showmakers did the scene almost the exact same way as the scene from the last episode when he sees her at the Applied Sciences Center’s groundbreaking. The camera is on her, and we hear his voice offscreen, making a remark about how surprised he is to see her there. Just something I noticed.

Tommy makes a joke about Laurel going out and having fun breaking some kind of law. I don’t think she’s having fun, so I think the law is unbroken.

There isn’t much substance to the conversation when who comes running over yelling “Big brother” but Thea! She plants her hands firmly on his shoulders. Kind of excessively touchy, right?

Almost sort of possessive as well, eh?

“I’m so wasted right now there is two of you,” she tells him.

She didn’t really need to tell him, it was pretty obvious.

I would ask why she announced her presence when she might have gone unnoticed (though I think Oliver would have spotted her like he did at his welcome home party in the pilot – his eyes landing on her, drawn to her almost across a crowded room, some enchanted evening), but I think she just couldn’t resist rubbing his face in her rebelliousness and his hypocrisy. There’s something shippy to be said for how much she enjoys getting a rise out of him.

Oliver is wondering why Thea is out when she is grounded. I’m not, because it seemed pretty obvious that Thea wouldn’t take to being grounded well. Thea thanks him for stepping in with their mother.

Tommy and Laurel turn their eyes away and towards the bar because AWKWARD. (Although as far as we’ve seen, neither one of them has a reason to know the full extent of Oliver’s disapproval of Thea’s behavior.) Tommy passes her a shot, which is really adorable. She’s gonna need it.

Oliver tells Thea that she’s done for the night in a very authoritarian manner.

“What are you going to do? Tell mom?”

She said almost the exact same thing to their mother earlier: “What are you going to do? Call the cops?” Apparently Thea needs to be tattled on by and to an authority she respects, because I gather that has never happened before.

I do like this “Tell mom?” business because it makes them sound like squabbling siblings when Oliver is wandering towards the land of fatherliness.

Was I the only one who, after she said “What are you going to do?”, pictured him throwing her over his shoulder and just walking right out of there? I’m sure security would have had a problem with that, but how glorious would that have been!

Oliver says “Thea!” incredulously, and then sort of swallows what he was going to say and tries out something different.

I really liked that little part because it’s just so obvious that even if it’s only to make him angry, Thea is making emotional waves in him when so little else seems to. He’s just so confident and practiced with everyone else – his responses almost plotted out to maintain his persona. With Thea he is constantly reconsidering what he was gong to say, changing tacks, just being generally frustrated. It’s so perfect.

He tells her that she is hanging out with the wrong people. And he’s right.

But Thea thinks that’s pretty ironic: “You’re one to talk!”

This immediately makes Laurel and Tommy even more uncomfortable.

“Thea, maybe you shouldn’t,” Tommy begins, but Thea interrupts: “Tommy, I think your BFF has a right to know.”

Oliver grabs her arm and tries to get her to leave again, but Thea’s not done: “I guess they never told you that they’ve been screwing while you were gone.”

Laurel looks down embarrassedly.

Thea and Oliver stare each other down. It’s pretty hot.

Then Thea looks over and smirks at Tommy.

WHAT THE HELL, THEA? WHAT DID TOMMY EVER DO TO YOU?

It’s Tommy’s turn to look down in embarrassment. He begins to explain, but Oliver tells him, quite calmly, that it’s OK. And unlike at his first dinner home when he told Moira and Walter that it was fine that they were married, he actually sounds like he means it. I also think he’s like, “Dude, not right now. I’m busy staring at Thea.”

Thea looks back at Oliver with this smug, self-satisfied grin that I will probably never get over because it doubled as sex eyes if I have ever seen them.

DO YOU SEE THIS? DO YOU SEE THIS?

Oliver looks back at her, giving pretty good what he’s getting.I mean, I just, I, what, IS THIS REAL LIFE?

Basically:

Oliver points at Thea and then himself, saying, “You and me, we’re done for the night.”

I’m more interested in a “The night is just beginning for you and me” sort of deal, but no dice.

He grabs her arm and begins pulling her away but she shoves him off and tells him to get his hands off of her.

Come on, Thea. Everyone knows you don’t mean that.

“You’re not my father,” she says to him.“And you’re barely my brother,” she adds scathingly before disappearing into the crowd.

So is it still incest if he’s barely her brother? I think that might be what she’s trying to get at.

OK, where do I even start?

First of all, who let her in there? John Diggle (hahahahaha) can’t get in, but a 17 year old can? I guess if she’s hot it’s OK.

At this point in the episode I was getting tired of Thea’s shit. I mean, she wants to get drunk and break into places? She wants to go and party? OK. I don’t like it, but what I really have a problem with is her attitude. She’s such a little brat in this scene. But then she brings it around at the end. He’s barely her brother, because he won’t open up to her. Will barely even talk to her. She just wants him to let her in and he won’t. And she’s furious about that. So she’s acting out. And the attitude is the most important part, because if she’s not showing him that she’s angry, then she’s just a girl with bad habits and not a little sister begging for attention. And I can understand that she resents being ordered around. He wants her to do what he says, but he isn’t reciprocating. He wants to have one part of the relationship, but not the other part. The sharing part.

I’m not a fan of the “you’re not my father” line, just because of their age difference. He was already veering into parental territory when he told Moira to punish her. Just for shipper reasons, it’s not favorable for him to leave big-brother territory and move into paternal territory.

I’m interested in Thea’s motivation for “the revelation”. She rocked Tommy and Laurel’s relationship (how did she even know about that?), Tommy and Oliver’s relationship, and Oliver and Laurel’s relationship. But why? The purported reason was that Tommy and Laurel were being bad friends and she was doing Oliver a favor by revealing this. But I think it’s pretty obvious from the way that Thea was looking at Oliver that her actual intention was to hurt him. He had hurt her and she’s fighting fire with fire.

I also think it’s possible that she was rubbing his face in the fact that she was the best option for someone to spend time with and open up to, but he had chosen Laurel and Tommy instead, and they weren’t worthy. Like, “You should have picked me. I’m the one. They suck.”

And I dare I suggest the possibility that she was trying (perhaps even subconsciously!) to drive Oliver and Laurel apart? I mean, even if you just want to look at Oliver/Thea as a platonic brother/sister relationship, it’s still canon that she is striving to get closer to him and we see him choosing Laurel instead. So maybe Thea has figured out that she needs to get rid of Laurel.

But she also rocked the Tommy/Laurel boat. So…crush on Tommy? She looks at him in an almost taunting way, which I would like to understand better, whatever it meant. Maybe he flirted with her at one point, even inadvertently led her on. She knew about Tommy and Laurel’s lapses, so an argument could be made that she’s seen him at some point recently, before Oliver’s return.

Oliver stares off in distress for a significant amount of time after Thea walks away. I  mean, it’s a really long time. And a lot of distressing things just happened, but I feel fairly certain when I say that I think it’s mostly about just having another unpleasant fight with Thea.

Someone on tumblr noticed the visual parallel with this Oliver/Laurel moment:And this might be a good time to point out that Oliver really has a type, doesn’t he? (Looks-wise, at least.) I wonder if Max Fuller’s fiancee had long, wavy brown hair too. Speaking of: Max Fuller, the cuckholded groom, shows up with some security and pulls Oliver into a back room. Oliver doesn’t really try and apologize, so I’m guessing this Fuller guy isn’t a treasured friend. Though he does start to say something that might have been on a conciliatory nature. Max punches Oliver, and Oliver just takes it.

It’s so hilarious watching him quash his instinct to fight back. He could take all those guys in a matter of seconds, but he can’t do it and it makes him so mad. Then Tommy, bless his little heart, runs in there, tells them to stop, and actually puts himself in front of Oliver.

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He says that they’ll have to go through him. Now, maybe this is penance for the Laurel thing, or maybe this is just his duty because he invited Oliver to Poison and ignored the Max Fuller problem, but whatever his reason, YES! And even though he’s freaking out (“Wow, they are probably gonna go through me!”),

he gets a fantastic punch in (WAY TO GO, BABY!), then ducks (well, OK, I suppose it’s actually more that Oliver pushes him down), and overall makes a very good showing in the beginning of the brawl. It is starting to look a little grim for him and Oliver (whom I have to assume is still holding back) – although I’m not convinced they couldn’t have come back from it – when Laurel shows up, kicks one guy’s a$$, and tells Max that this fight is over unless he’s going to have his guys beat her up.

I think they should have beat her up too – fair is fair. But aside from being a girl she is also a lawyer, which is what would have stopped me.

Max bans them from Poison. I have to wonder about Jo, still cluelessly dancing away in there. Thea’s M.O. seems to be leaving in a huff, so I’m guessing she might have gone home. I doubt she’ll go back there if there’s no chance of running into Oliver – her true joy seems to lie in exhibitionism.

Tommy tells Max that he doesn’t care about the ban because his club sucks. Oh, Tommy.

Oliver is impressed with Laurel’s hand-to-hand combat. Apparently her father forced her to take self-defense classes. I’ve taken some self-defense classes – I CAN NOT DO THAT. Or maybe I can? Hopefully I’ll never know.

I don’t know what you know about the comics – my education is incomplete but existent – but this was some pretty heavy foreshadowing.

Laurel was doing this thing like she hadn’t just done something impressive – but it was the opposite of modesty, more like “I’m just that badass” which was bugging me. And she was all frowny. I was getting to a place where I wasn’t really liking her in that moment, but then Oliver started to say something to her about “the revelation”, and Laurel interrupted him and said, “Oliver, Tommy and I don’t need your blessing,

and I don’t need your forgiveness.” And that made me want to say “You go girl!” far more than when she was taking that guy down. Because it’s kind to be sensitive to Oliver’s feelings, but in the end, no, they don’t need his blessing, and no, she definitely doesn’t need his forgiveness.

It’s lovely that Laurel speaks in the present tense about her and Tommy’s relationship. She does not designate it to the past by saying “Tommy and I did nothing wrong”, or something like that.

Dig meets up with Oliver and Tommy and takes them to a diner called Big Belly Burger. Starling City: you need to try harder. Poison, and now this? Dig had a brother who was also in the bodyguarding business, and was killed doing it. His widow, Dig’s sister in law, Carly, is a waitress at the BBB. It’s nice to meet a working class gal. Tommy remarks that she’s pretty cute, but Dig shuts that down right quick, sending a babbling Tommy off to find a booth. I’m not sure if Dig is supposed to be in love with his sister-in-law or not, but that’s what I saw and I SHIP IT! She warns him about the dangers of the job (after making a dig – pun intended! – about him being a sucky bodyguard because Oliver was just beaten up – haha), so hopefully she loves him back. CHEATING LITE for all your cheating needs.

(I’m hoping some day Oliver will choose the Cheating Hardcore option: Are you dating/pursuing a woman you care about but are no longer in love with? Do you want to screw up your life as much as possible? Would you prefer to do that through sex? Could you melt a glacier with the heat between you and your younger sister? Consider choosing that sibling for your new illicit sexual partner! Half the work of finding a mistress, twice the emotional devastation. Great for tabloid scandal and making your mother faint. Cheating Hardcore – when you want to ruin your life as spectacularly as you live it!)

Tommy and Oliver have a heart-to-heart at the table (not to be confused with the two-on-one I would be having with them if I was there.) “Look,” Tommy begins. “man, about Laurel. I was gonna tell you. I was just trying to figure out the right way.”

Oliver: “To tell someone that you slept with their girlfriend after they went missing and were then presumed dead. What, there’s no greeting card for that.”

Oliver made a joke!

Laughs.

Tommy: “Look, it was wrong. And I am sorry.”

Oliver: “Tommy…I was dead.”

Tommy: “No, you were with Laurel. And whether you were dead, or, as it turns, alive, on a deserted island,  you were my friend, and my being with Laurel violated that friendship in about fifty different ways.”

Oliver: “Thank you. But it’s OK.”

And here’s a summary in faces:Tommy is very surprised at how “chill” Oliver is being about the whole thing. Which tells me that either Oliver and Laurel were, despite his cheating, very, very serious before he disappeared, or Oliver was kind of a hothead. Because it seems to me, with all of my perceptions so far, that Oliver is behaving in a perfectly rational way and in-character. And whether he was bothered or not, he has zero right to tell Tommy or Laurel that he doesn’t want them together. Even if had never been “dead”, I think five years is long enough to erase the best friend/ex taboo. I can understand that it might have caused some weird feelings for Tommy and Laurel when they first started up, but I don’t think it could ever have been classified as “wrong” or a “violation”. So I think Tommy really goes over the top in his apology here, but that’s a good thing.

Oliver takes the laptop that he recovered from Deadshot’s apartment to the IT department at Queen Consolidated. Is that really wise? He has no idea what’s on there. He’s possibly implicating himself in whatever criminal material is on the laptop as well as possibly revealing himself as Arrow. I mean, questions will inevitably be asked and those questions would lead places. It seems to me some black market computer dude who keeps his mouth shut would be better. But I do like that we’ve finally found something the great Oliver Queen can’t do himself.

I think, possibly, that one of the reasons he goes to IT at QC is the woman he meets there: Felicity Smoak. Because I have a feeling we’re going to see her again. She’s an adorable blonde pony-tailed, glasses-faced cubicle nerd person. Oliver introduces himself, which sends her into a word-vomit spasm.

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It’s easy to make a character likeable by making them socially awkward, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t perfectly valid. What I’m saying is, I loved her babbling self right away. The other women on the show – Moira, Thea, Laurel – are so witty and put together. I like that Felicity is kind of a mess. If she’s from the comics (with a name like that I’m guessing she is)? Will she be in another episode? I’m choosing not to seek out this information, but if it comes to me then it comes to me. I really like the actress, Emily Bett Rickards. She’s a great comedic actress. She took the dialogue and just did wonders with it.

So, I love this scene, because Oliver hands her the laptop and tells her that he spilled coffee on it, even though it’s very clearly riddled with bullet holes. I just can’t stop laughing about that.

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Felicity is young and pretty, so chances are if she’s not supposed to be a love interest now, she will be at some point. Me jumping the Oliver/Thea ship for Oliver/Felicity is of course NEVER going to happen, but since the most realistic choices are Oliver/someone who is not his sister, then I choose Oliver/Felicity over Oliver/Laurel. It took me about 30 seconds of the Oliver/Felicity scene to figure that out. Shipping Tommy/Laurel wasn’t even a factor. I tend to ship opposites a lot, which probably was a factor. See: Tommy/Laurel. And Oliver and Felicity are just so delightfully opposite. He needs someone upbeat like her to temper his own gravity. And it’s a fresh start – no ugly history like with Laurel. I need to really stop thinking about Oliver/Laurel because my dislike for that ship is ballooning.

Oliver returns and Felicity shows him what she recovered from the hard drive. It seems to just be blueprints. Felicity recognizes that they’re blueprints of the Exchange Building, where an auction for a company called Unidac Industries is going to take place that night. All of the people that Deadshot have killed since he came to Starling City are prospective buyers. Walter is also a prospective buyer, which meant an ugly interrogation with Quentin, who really, really hates the Queens and sundry. I love Quentin and Moira facing off. She’s always quick to comment on his contemptuous tones, which most people would probably just ignore.

Felicty begins to grow suspicious when Oliver doesn’t know what any of things are on what is allegedly his laptop. When he reassures her that the laptop is his, he’s just so obviously lying that I love it. I mean, I’m pretty sure he knows that she knows that he’s lying and it’s all just a playful pretense. But it’s interesting to see Stephen Amell’s take on Oliver doing all different kinds of lying.

Darling Felicity knows that Walter Steele is a hopeful buyer of Unidac, so when she realizes that the laptop belongs to a competitor for the bid, she tells Oliver that she doesn’t want to get in the middle of some Shakespearean family drama. The reference goes completely over Oliver’s gorgeous head. She clarifies Hamlet, but he’s still not familiar with the story. What? The Russian Mob didn’t make you memorize soliloquies or write essays on Hamlet? It seems like they taught you everything else. Oliver defends himself very poorly by saying he never studied Shakespeare at any of the four schools he dropped out of. Well, Oliver, I studied it in high school. We did one play every year. I mean, he had to have graduated from high school or else he could never have gone to college. Even a GED has certain English requirements.

I love the Hamlet mention, not only because I made a Hamlet reference in my first entry and because it’s very appropriate, but also because the brother/sister relationship in Hamlet – Laertes and Ophelia – is very intense and beautiful. So if Hamlet was any kind of inspiration, I hope it inspires Oliver and Thea’s relationship as well.

Oliver knows he can’t protect all of the other bidders by himself, so he goes to Quentin for help. I can’t wait to see them working together more and more. Quentin hates Arrow right now for being an anarchist, but I’ll love watching him come to appreciate him.

Would you like to wear the Calvin Klein or the Zac Posen?

The auction is, apparently, a family event. Moira goes to Thea’s room and invites her and tries to help her choose a dress. Thea doesn’t want to go (understandably – sounds boring as hell), but Moira tells her it’s important that she’s goes. “Important to whom?” Thea asks. And this causes Moira to have an epiphany. “Important to me,” she responds, which causes a reaction in Thea. Moira sits down, and tells Thea a story about when she was a kid, which makes Thea smile right away. Moira shares with her that Robert (the father) was always better with her, and that Moira was always jealous of that. She tells her that she thinks they have gotten into some bad habits, but she wants that to change.

I love this scene. It just makes it so clear (without being heavy-handed) that Thea is acting out for attention. She feels neglected, by Moira, by Oliver, by her dead father. She’s reaching out and no one is there, so she just keeps reaching out in bigger and bigger ways but all she’s getting in return is anger and disappointment.

SHE JUST WANTS TO BE LOVED.

We also get to see more of Thea’s bedroom:I see some Asian influence. Kind of like Oliver now.

At the beginning of the auction scene, we have our first moment between Walter and Moira where they are alone. Their deeds and motivations are some of the biggest mysteries to me. Walter is CFO, a very important position, and he was not pleased when he first heard that Oliver wanted to swing by the office in the pilot. So there must be some doings that Walter doesn’t want Oliver to know about. I’m guessing that when he and Moira encouraged Oliver to take a leadership role in 1.02, they had cleaned things up or hidden them or whatever. As for Moira, she seems to be under the thumb of a very powerful man who is associated with the symbol we saw in the notebook. I thought she was implicated in the sabotage of the yacht that killed Robert, but I’m realizing now it may only be that she is aware of the fact that it was sabotaged. She kidnapped Oliver to find out what he knew, but it’s the unknown man who needed to be reassured that Oliver didn’t know anything. So I think Moira may end up being more of a victim in all of this, and it’s possible that Walter isn’t anything more than her loving husband. I think, at this point, both of those things are possible. So, wondering about their possible villainy (and it seems so much more likely that they’re “in league” as they are almost always seen together, of one mind, although even that’s not for sure), I watched this scene very carefully. And all I saw was a man who loves Moira and cares about Thea.

Thea comes walking in, and Moira is very pleased to see her, and there is hugging and smiles. She should have worn the Zac Posen, though, right? It was a much cuter dress.

See, with Thea, you give a little love, you get a little good behavior in return.

I really loved these Moira/Thea scenes. Because I care about these characters and their relationships with each other, not just their relationships with Oliver. I read a quote from Stephen Amell, that he didn’t have a life, he had a show. Because he is in nearly every scene. (Plus he probably has to work out all the time.) He didn’t sound very grateful – I’m sorry, sir, that you have a starring role on a successful TV series. Poor you. (Of course I’m one to talk, since I’m about the laziest person on the planet.) But he has a point: the other characters need more scenes with each other. Especially Tommy and Laurel, eh?

This episode also has Oliver treating Walter with courtesy and respect, which is a new one. He’s discussing the threat of the assassin with him, and the fact that they should take more precautions, when Walter reveals to Oliver that Moira is there, as well as Thea. At Thea’s name, Oliver looks around for her, clocks her, walks right away from Walter straight to her, and then instructs Dig to get the two of them out of there.

Deadshot starts firing, which turns the room into pandemonium. Dig covers Moira while Oliver clings to Thea. After the first burst of gunfire, Oliver puts his hand on Thea’s cheek and asks if she’s OK.

Can I just…

All the touching…

Can it never end, please?Perfect.

Do you see how she doesn’t look back at what’s going on first, she looks at Oliver first.

They are right by the door. Oliver leaves them to Dig to escort outside, while he runs off to don his Arrow gear (which he hid in a garbage can in the stairwell). I kind of laughed at thinking about how long it would take him to put it on, but I bet Batman’s suit is even more of a bitch.

Oliver finds Deadshot, and they have a philosophical discussion:

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I think Oliver is severely underestimating the number of people he has killed and the necessity of their deaths. I’m not sure why he thinks it’s OK to use lethal force to get the lackeys out of the way so that he can attack the CBMOTW. These guys are just hired employees. Some of them are probably just like John Diggle – just bodyguards.

Anyway, Oliver has a shootout with Deadshot, and lands an arrow through his eyepiece. It seemed quite anticlimactic that he would be dead already. I thought he would recurring for a while. I mean, he was all cool with his tattoos and stuff.But you don’t really survive an arrow through the eye, do you? Even if it didn’t go very deep, that’s still fatal.

But the adventure is not over! Dig took a poisoned bullet to the leg (?)! Oliver rushes him back to the lair (or “base” as Oliver called it. Lair is cooler) and gives him some of the antidote. But uh-oh! Dig’s kind of in on the secret now, isn’t he.

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I sincerely doubt that the Exchange Building is in The Glades, yet somehow Oliver got John Diggle back to the lair, and in time. I feel like the Queen Industrial warehouse is about a three minute walk from any given place in Starling City, somehow.

So, I warmed up to Dig a little in this episode, meeting his sister-in-law and hearing about his dead brother. But I can’t help but resent that he’s now a confidant. I did point out in the pilot that Oliver was only going to be able to shake Dig for so long, so I guess all that is over. Though I can’t really see him accompanying Arrow on his “outings”. And what kind of bodyguard can work for a guy who is constantly putting himself in danger like that? I wanted Tommy or Thea to be the first ones to know. But I guess Dig finding out is much less emotional. Oliver and Thea finding out are going to be much bigger deals, much more dramatic moments. Though, honestly, those reveals would probably have less actual consequences than this one, because Dig is supposed to be constantly by Oliver’s side.

In Oliver’s flashbacks to the island, we meet the hooded man who shot him. He’s Chinese (I’m assuming – I couldn’t tell from listening to the language) and he seems very settled. He tells Oliver that he shot him to protect him, although Oliver can’t understand what he’s saying because of the language barrier. I can’t understand what he’s saying either, but that’s because it doesn’t make any sense. He tells Oliver that they’ll kill him. Then we see some men with big guns in black uniforms traipsing through the jungle and following his tracks. The plot thickens.

Really, though. Why did he shoot him to protect him? How does that work? Was he just trying to get him down on the ground and out of sight, and then dragging him back to his cave? I forgot to mention that the Chinese man gives Oliver some of the magical antidote. So either it has healing properties, or the Chinense man poisons his arrows. Did the curare poison come from the island? Are there polar bear fossils too? What about a black smoke monster? The lab report classifies the curare as strychnos toxifera. That doesn’t sound very rare to me. I’ve read enough Agatha Christie murder mysteries to know a good dozen people at least murdered by strychnine poisoning!

I saved the best for last – a final scene between Tommy and Laurel! He’s waiting for her at the courthouse, just sitting on a bench in the hall because it’s Friday night and he knew she’d be there.

He tells her that he wants to talk about last night (at the club). Laurel doesn’t care to talk about that. Very interesting, Laurel. I think she doesn’t like talking with Tommy about their relationship because she doesn’t know what she feels, or she doesn’t understand it, or she doesn’t want it, and she finds it easier to just avoid it until it springs up in another lapse.

Tommy wants this discussion, so he tells her and he and Oliver talked it out and that Oliver really is cool about it.

Laurel swirls back around, and for a minute it’s like she’s digesting the information, but then she says, “That’s because he knew.” And she says that Oliver didn’t even blink when told him. That’s not really evidence, Laurel. Oliver never blinks when he’s looking at Thea. But I think we’re supposed to believe her. Which means Oliver really did overhear their conversation in the pilot. I feel like the writers missed a chance for some good-time soapiness with that choice, but what’s done is done.

It also means that all of Oliver’s distress during the club scene really is mostly about Thea.

Tommy takes a step towards her and asks if there’s a chance now for the two of them.

I have to say, Laurel’s expression in response to the question is not particularly heartening. Katie Cassidy played this all very ambiguous. Because her face could be saying, “Me and Tommy? Is it possible? I want this, but will it work?” or her face could be saying, “How do I tell him I still love Oliver and I only want Oliver and Oliver Oliver Oliver?” Or she could even be upset that Oliver has given her up. Tommy seems to realize that he’s not exactly being encouraged, but he marches onward: “You said you didn’t think that I was a one-girl type of guy. I’m gonna prove you wrong.”

Laurel, not impressed: “By dating me.”

Tommy, still not daunted: “By being better. By being someone that you deserve, and that you want to be with.”

KILL ME. I think that Tommy said the absolute perfect thing, and I think Colin Donnell delivered those last two sentences is just the most absolute perfect way and so sincerely. OH MY HEART. Laurel is making Tommy want to be a better person! (That’s certainly not what happened with Oliver.)

KILL. ME.

He loves her so much he doesn’t even know what to do with himself. He’s just so happy when he has these moments alone with her, and then the reaction shots of him being sad and heartbroken when he’s watching Oliver and Laurel together just murder me.

I can’t. I am unable to can.

Laurel responds, with a slow smile: “That’s certainly a guy I’d be interested in meeting.” Kind of an underwhelming response, but I understand that’s she still unsure. Tommy’s charming, he can talk nice. She needs to see it in action first.

He smiles back at her so wide. I’m making all kinds of happy fangirl shipper squeeing noises. I’m drawing cats to my bedroom window.

“Good,” he says. “Now how about we start by getting you out of here. It is Friday night.” He takes her books like they’re in elementary school so cute and then she puts her arm through his and they leave!

I’m assuming they go to her place or his place again and have lots of sex, and I feel pretty cheated that we didn’t get to see any of it. Someone on this show needs to kiss. It’s getting ridiculous.

Now, it’s all warm and fuzzy and hopeful right now, but I fear for the longevity of a couple that is “together” by the end of the third episode. This show moves quickly and doesn’t waste a lot of time, which is something I appreciate and usually a sign of good writing. But it does put the fear in me. That sort of fast-pacing is always great at the beginning, but then you’re on the 4th season and you’ve lost count of the retcons, a third of the cast wasn’t in the pilot, you’re not sure if your top ship is actually even together, the best possible pairing on the show is the only one the writers seem determined not to try out, and everyone you love is dead. I have been there.

Do you want to hear Colin Donnell sing? He is an accomplished song and dance man, it would seem. This is a track from his production of Anything Goes.

So, is everyone now even more pumped for episode 4?

I am so sorry for not publishing until Tuesday night! So sorry! Have some Willa:

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39 Responses to Oliver/Thea Goodness in Arrow 1.03 – Lone Gunmen

  1. redbanker says:

    YAY!! So wonderful. I have to give you this link because I had the exact same reaction to the scene at the auction when Walter tells Oliver Thea was there, so I did this in Photoshop because his face literally says:

    “Stop…WHAT!!! I don’t fucking think so, screw Walter ain’t nothing happening to Thea.”

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wHD3FDhNRjNEB2XIvADkQ27Cb7ZkZSTC6bnpBdb1TV0?feat=directlink

    Also no need to worry about the club scene I’ve already written a story “Yours and Mine” where Oliver throws Thea over his shoulder and marches out of the club with her. It changes the rest of the episode mainly with a lot of sex and Oliver telling Thea about Arrow.

    Anyway so excited for tomorrow night and so thrilled with you’re brillant recap as always. I can’t wait to hear what you think about my stories.

    Oh PS sorry about the double post earlier, my bad. LOL

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Oh, don’t worry about the double post. I get them all the time. I assumed it was just an occasional glitch – but your comment made me realize that it probably because commenters had noticed that their comment did not appear.

      I loved what you made in Photoshop. Totally accurate. And hilarious. I’m still laughing. With Walter, Oliver’s just telling him to be careful, but once he hears Thea’s there, he’s going to push her right back out that door. And Walter is actually one of the targets, but Oliver just walks right away from him. Great stuff.

      That really happens in your fic? SO PERFECT. It seems that you and I are of one mind. Sounds like a pretty good end to the episode to me. I can’t wait to read it, and the others!

      I’m glad you liked the recap, and thanks, as always, for the comment!

      • redbanker says:

        It seems that you and I are of one mind. Sounds like a pretty good end to the episode to me.

        I know it’s crazy, or just obvious that that’s what should have happened LOL. I can’t wait for tonight we’re supposed to get a “bonding moment” between Oliver and Thea and I’m soooo happy. I’m hoping “Yours and Mine” because and ongoing series with me using it to create AU’s of upcoming episodes I just need them to give me something to work with and damn if it doesn’t look like they will so YAY!!!

        • redbanker says:

          Oh and I’ve got wallpapers I did in Photoshop on the Oliver/Thea livejournal as well, So have fun! I really am obsessed.

        • Shipcestuous says:

          I really for a moment did think he was going to pick her right up and heave her over his shoulder and just walk her right on out of there. I guess it was because I knew he was strong enough to do it.

          It would be fantastic if each episode had a scene that made you want to write an AU ending for it. So far that has been the case!

          • redbanker says:

            I know and honey I’ve been like the ONLY ONE POSTING to the livejournal. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, to anyone reading! LOL! I’ve posted like 4 wallpapers, 4 stories, and then also the little Oliver’s facial reaction thing I did. I mean all weekend all I did was write. It was kinda nuts!!! I’m holding off writing anything today because I want to see tonights episode first, of course I work till 9pm every night but I’ll download it as soon as I get home.

            • Shipcestuous says:

              I’ll be watching the episode after everyone else, too.

              You heard her! Go post on the LJ! (It’s hard to get those things going, I know. Just keep mentioning and linking to it.)

              You’ve got to write while the inspiration has you in it’s hold. I’m hoping you’ll have plenty to write about after tonight’s episode!

    • Paris says:

      Great image! I laughed at that scene – nothing else mattered but Thea!

  2. Cass says:

    Gah I love these updates, I would watch the show but I’m lame and keep forgetting to record it! Thank you for these! They are so cute together- and sexy!

    • Shipcestuous says:

      It is so wonderful to me to hear that you enjoy reading the updates even though you aren’t watching the show. I wish I could just give you the highlights, because I’m sure a lot of the plot details are of less interest. Thanks for commenting!

  3. Beast of the Sea says:

    “But you don’t really survive an arrow through the eye, do you? Even if it didn’t go very deep, that’s still fatal.”
    If he’s supposed to be Slade… then I think he survives. Ah, comics!

    Great recap! Dear gad, are we sure there isn’t a closet Oliver/Thea + Tommy/Laurel shipper on the script-writing team? Because they’re being written like a Slap Slap Kiss couple at the very least…

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Well, that’s what I’m trying to figure out. The arrow went through his glass eyepiece first, and it wasn’t buried very deep but the arrow head was all the way in there. Oliver had to go take care of John Diggle so he left the body.I think he did survive, but I just find it a little hard to believe.

      Glad you liked it!

      Oliver and Thea are definitely in slap slap kiss territory right now. The two of them winding up kissing during a heated argument is just about the best thing I can imagine. Oliver/Thea seems to be really popular, so there has got to be someone involved in the making of the show who has been slipping in subtext. I love the writing for their relationship, but I gotta blame the directors. They are the ones watching Stephen Amell and Willa Holland act this way and letting them get away with it.

  4. anonymous says:

    “And of Oliver/Laurel shippers crying and gnashing their teeth. It’s a beautiful dream, and we can make it happen.”

    I’m going to try to subtely move the TWOPers toward this.

    “I picture Thea eagerly anticipating his return, pushing peas around on her plate.”

    Ooh. I could see Thea getting drunk after feeling so horrible due to Oliver not coming back. She’s a teenager and does kind of think the world revolves around her. But that also has it’s opposite. She thinks that she did something to make Oliver not want to talk to her. Oh…poor Thea.

    “It was white and sheer, and you could see her BLACK bra underneath. It was Oliver’s turn to see some of the goodies after Thea’s peepshow last week.”

    Based on the way Thea positions her body, it appears like she’s trying to tempt him. Give in…give in…

    “Oliver is so controlled all of time – detached, regulated – so I love that Thea makes him burn. When Thea tries to get a rise out of him, she gets it. And right away. We’ve seen the opposite with Laurel – she says her worst, and Oliver just smiles back.”

    Oh, hell yes. This even ties into the symbolic switching of positions that Thea and Laurel must have gone through. Now Oliver feels the passion that he used to feel for Laurel when he deals with Thea.

    “In fact, Laurel and I are quite alike. She works overtime making a difference in court. And I change lives by writing silly recaps of her TV show.”

    They are certainly not silly! I wouldn’t have known of the greatness of “Doom”, “Vertical Limit” and “iCarly”.

    “There isn’t much substance to the conversation when who comes running over yelling ‘Big brother’ but Thea! She plants her hands firmly on his shoulders. Kind of excessively touchy, right?”

    And there’s the obvious sexual entendre. 😉

    But what I find most interesting is that the way he reacts to the words “sister” and “brother” could be seen as being uncomfortable with those labels. In the voiceover at the beggining of the episode, he states, “To my family, I am the brother and son who just returned home after being lost at sea 5 years ago.” And in the second (?) episode he does use the word sister, but starts to stumble with what he’s saying less than a second after saying that. I think he’s starting to realize what he really feels about Thea.

    Of course, he also talks about cancers being fought with a surgeon and the right instrument. Which makes me think he wants to fight the cancer of anti-Queencest shipping by playing doctor with Thea using his own instrument.

    “There’s something shippy to be said for how much she enjoys getting a rise out of him.”

    Heh. Rise. Nothing more needs to be said about this. I’m in a very ribald mood right now.

    “So is it still incest if he’s barely her brother? I think that might be what she’s trying to get at.”

    It certainly does remind me of a line of dialogue from “Ginger Snaps” which goes something like this: “It’s like we’re not even related anymore.”

    “But she also rocked the Tommy/Laurel boat. So…crush on Tommy? She looks at him in an almost taunting way, which I would like to understand better, whatever it meant. Maybe he flirted with her at one point, even inadvertently led her on. She knew about Tommy and Laurel’s lapses, so an argument could be made that she’s seen him at some point recently, before Oliver’s return.”

    Of course, she might have developed a bit of a crush of Tommy. She’s been trying to fill Oliver’s shoes in terms of the out of control behavior. And she probably would’ve felt a bit guilt about the feelings she developed for Oliver after he went missing. So, she redirected some of these feelings toward Tommy because Tommy probably had some similar behavior.

    “(I’m hoping some day Oliver will choose the Cheating Hardcore option: Are you dating/pursuing a woman you care about but are no longer in love with? Do you want to screw up your life as much as possible? Would you prefer to do that through sex? Could you melt a glacier with the heat between you and your younger sister? Consider choosing that sibling for your new illicit sexual partner! Half the work of finding a mistress, twice the emotional devastation. Great for tabloid scandal and making your mother faint. Cheating Hardcore – when you want to ruin your life as spectacularly as you live it!)”

    Yes. And then this series can turn into the series it really wants tobe …”Game of Arrows”! (Admitedly, I’ve watched “Game of Thrones” but I do know that it had incest and something about families and a lot of backstabbing.)

    “This episode also has Oliver treating Walter with courtesy and respect, which is a new one. He’s discussing the threat of the assassin with him, and the fact that they should take more precautions, when Walter reveals to Oliver that Moira is there, as well as Thea. At Thea’s name, Oliver looks around for her, clocks her, walks right away from Walter straight to her, and then instructs Dig to get the two of them out of there.”

    Heh. This scene made me remember the good times of “Smallville”. The way that Oliver reacted to the possibility of Thea being in danger reminds me of something that happened with Clark and Chloe with enough regularity that TWOP named it SAVE TINY BLONDE or PROTECT TINY BLONDE. Sometimes a ‘MY’ was added for a little bit more possessiveness.

    “But you don’t really survive an arrow through the eye, do you? Even if it didn’t go very deep, that’s still fatal.”

    This was one of the parts I had a problem with because Deadshot should be a character who returns. Until I realized he might not be dead. He gets hit and then we hear the thump of his body as it hits the floor. However, we don’t get to see if Oliver check the body because Dig was hurt. The eye piece could have had been built so that the arrow didn’t go all the way through. So, he could have been playing possum and just left afterwards.

    “Now, it’s all warm and fuzzy and hopeful right now, but I fear for the longevity of a couple that is “together” by the end of the third episode. This show moves quickly and doesn’t waste a lot of time, which is something I appreciate and usually a sign of good writing. But it does put the fear in me. That sort of fast-pacing is always great at the beginning, but then you’re on the 4th season and you’ve lost count of the retcons, a third of the cast wasn’t in the pilot, you’re not sure if your top ship is actually even together, the best possible pairing on the show is the only one the writers seem determined not to try out, and everyone you love is dead. I have been there.”

    Ugh. I hope the series doesn’t go that way. Here’s my personal hope for the series:

    Comic fans will want Green Arrow and Black Canary to end up together and they’ll expect for Tommy to go bad. So, give it to them. Oliver and Thea are hinted as dating while Laurel and Tommy have LOTS of TV appropriate sex. At some point, for some decent in-character reason, Tommy goes temporarily insane or something and goes the Merlyn route (he’s an archer) but the others are able to get him help and bring him back into the fold. Tommy improves on his archery and sometimes dresses up as the vigilante. Thea and Laurel also trade off sometimes as a blonde vigilante who frequently accompanies the mysterious vigilante archer. Thea relies more on a Cannary Cry devoce located choker or (as someone on TWOP mentioned) sonic bombs while Laurel relies more on martial arts. People assume that the blonde vigilante has a Canary Cry and martial arts. We get both couples and we get a reason why no one realizes who the vigilante and his companion are.

    And we need YouTube videos galore! Here’s a few that are just fun and might be useful as templates:

    Clark and Chloe – Freedom Fighters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ohIGiiY32Y – This useful, especially if the series splits the Green Arrow between Oliver and Tommy and Black Canary between Thea and Laurel. Also, it’s a really great piece of music.

    Chlark Skater Boi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KP4r97Z7pY – I can totally see someone using the image of Thea fondling Oliver’s short to the lyric “rock each other’s world.”

    My Girl’s Ex-Boyfriend – Annie/Auggie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl-DiRUNh_o – I could see a couple of different versions of this. One obvious version is to have Tommy be the one who gets Laurel in the end after Oliver dumps her. However, it would be interesting to see a version where there are two images side to side. On one side is Oliver’s POV and the other is Tommy’s and both POVs atre perfectly in line with the song lyrics. Oliver used to date Laurel and Oliver used to date Thea. But now Thea is with Oliver and Laurel is with Tommy. And both Oliver and Tommy think they got the better deal. Everyone’s happy. Expect Oliver/Laurel shippers. And that makes us VERY happy. Their sadness nourishes us. 🙂

    Annie/Auggie – Must Have Done Something Right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqrvgDma6g – This is probably be better for Laurel/Tommy, but if it’s Laurel/Tommy, it’s not Oliver/Laurel (blech).

    • Shipcestuous says:

      “I’m going to try to subtely move the TWOPers toward this.”

      Does this mean that you’ve been hanging out on the TWOP Arrow board? I am too afraid to go there. I would love to make some posts there that are Tommy/Laurel and Oliver/Thea positive to try and influence the fandom, but I’m just in a place with this show right now where I don’t want to read a bunch of opinions of people who disagree with me (especially Oliver/Laurel shippers). Some of the boards are very balanced and interesting, and some of them are just so negative and opinionated and biased. Right now I’m so emotionally invested in this show and my ships and my favorite characters that I would find that very unpleasant to deal with.

      “I could see Thea getting drunk after feeling so horrible due to Oliver not coming back. She’s a teenager and does kind of think the world revolves around her. But that also has it’s opposite. She thinks that she did something to make Oliver not want to talk to her. Oh…poor Thea.”

      I could see that happening. I like it. Poor Thea.

      “Based on the way Thea positions her body, it appears like she’s trying to tempt him. Give in…give in…”

      I didn’t even think about the way she crossed her arms over her stomach (which totally highlights her bra) and then basically wags her chest in his face as she walking over towards him!!! You are so right.

      “They are certainly not silly! I wouldn’t have known of the greatness of “Doom”, “Vertical Limit” and “iCarly”.”

      Awww, thanks! I do feel that everyone even a little bit open to incest-shipping has to see Doom.

      You’re very right about the way he responds to the words “brother” and “sister”. We’ve seen him be uncomfortable most of the times they were used. Part of that is of course the fact that Thea uses it as an insult, implying that he is a terrible brother, which hurts him, because he feels that it is true. But maybe he thinks he is a terrible brother in other ways!

      You know, I think it’s very interesting in the second episode when he goes over to Laurel’s house and tells her that his “sister” told him he needed to open up to someone. Not only does he start to stumble with the rest of the sentence, like you said, but I think it’s interesting that he said “sister” instead of “Thea”. It’s like he was trying to remind himself that Thea=sister and so that’s why he’s at Laurel’s, because Laurel=girlfriend. And of course that’s the infamous scene where he’s doing everything he should be doing with Thea with Laurel instead.

      “Which makes me think he wants to fight the cancer of anti-Queencest shipping by playing doctor with Thea using his own instrument.”

      YES.

      “Heh. Rise. Nothing more needs to be said about this. I’m in a very ribald mood right now.”

      LOL. Aside from the fact that the phrase “to get a rise out of” works as a sexual metaphor, I also think there’s something sexual to the fact that she loves making him angry, just driving up all that heat between them.

      “Of course, she might have developed a bit of a crush of Tommy. She’s been trying to fill Oliver’s shoes in terms of the out of control behavior. And she probably would’ve felt a bit guilt about the feelings she developed for Oliver after he went missing. So, she redirected some of these feelings toward Tommy because Tommy probably had some similar behavior.”

      I think if Thea is canonically shown to have a crush on Tommy, the interpretation that it had something to do with Oliver is unavoidable. But I really like the idea of her trying almost consciously to force her feelings for Oliver onto Tommy. I also like the idea of Thea, right after Oliver died, trying to get Tommy to fill Oliver’s shoes in her life. If he never stepped up, I could see her harboring some bitterness towards him.

      “And then this series can turn into the series it really wants tobe …”Game of Arrows”! (Admitedly, I’ve watched “Game of Thrones” but I do know that it had incest and something about families and a lot of backstabbing.)”

      If Oliver and Thea were on Game of Thrones, they would probably already be sleeping together. Jaime/Cersei is the most prominent incestuous pairing from the series, but GRRM the author of the books, writes incredibly shippable siblings, and there at least two other sets of brothers and sisters with overt incestuous behavior. Game of Arrows is the perfect title. I would love it so much if this show took on an aspect of powerful dueling families.

      I’m thinking Deadshot is definitely still alive. I find it hard to believe he survived, but I think everything else points to him returning at some point.

      Comic fans will want Green Arrow and Black Canary to end up together and they’ll expect for Tommy to go bad. So, give it to them. Oliver and Thea are hinted as dating while Laurel and Tommy have LOTS of TV appropriate sex. At some point, for some decent in-character reason, Tommy goes temporarily insane or something and goes the Merlyn route (he’s an archer) but the others are able to get him help and bring him back into the fold. Tommy improves on his archery and sometimes dresses up as the vigilante. Thea and Laurel also trade off sometimes as a blonde vigilante who frequently accompanies the mysterious vigilante archer. Thea relies more on a Cannary Cry devoce located choker or (as someone on TWOP mentioned) sonic bombs while Laurel relies more on martial arts. People assume that the blonde vigilante has a Canary Cry and martial arts. We get both couples and we get a reason why no one realizes who the vigilante and his companion are.

      Given what’s likely to happen, this is totally acceptable. I really like the idea of Tommy/Oliver and Laurel/Thea trading off as the respective heroes. (Plus it’s a fantastic way to create alibis and hide their true identities, like you said.) I also think, with the right motivation or exculpating reason, I’m OK with Tommy going bad for a period, as long as he’s brought back.

      Yes, we do need some vidders as well. I should have mentioned fanvids in my “I have a dream” speech. It’s a great idea to suggest templates. I can see how those would work for our ships (particularly the My Girl’s Ex-Boyfriend one). One or two more episodes and there will hopefully be enough scenes for a proper fanvid.

      • anonymous says:

        “Does this mean that you’ve been hanging out on the TWOP Arrow board? I am too afraid to go there. I would love to make some posts there that are Tommy/Laurel and Oliver/Thea positive to try and influence the fandom, but I’m just in a place with this show right now where I don’t want to read a bunch of opinions of people who disagree with me (especially Oliver/Laurel shippers). Some of the boards are very balanced and interesting, and some of them are just so negative and opinionated and biased. Right now I’m so emotionally invested in this show and my ships and my favorite characters that I would find that very unpleasant to deal with.”

        Last week, there were a couple of complaints about the intrpretation of Oliver and the way he was more like Dexter rather than a traditional “no kill” superhero. One that kept being repeated was the fact that he was using less trick arrows (of the non-lethal kind) than his comic book version. Of course, this ignores the fact that he was on an island for FIVE YEARS and non-lethal ordnance was probably the opposite of what he needed. There’s also the fact that being on the island kind of screwed him up enough that he probably hadn’t thought of it. But that seems to be one of the points of the series.

        Earlier up thread, there were several posters who noted the sexual chemistry of Oliver and Thea. There is a poster who recently mentioned Oliver/Thea. Mostly, it looks like posters are trying to shy away from it. However, that doesn’t mean that Oliver/Laurel is fancied. A number of posters keep saying that there is very little or absolutely no chemistry there. A few posters like Felicity, though.

        “But maybe he thinks he is a terrible brother in other ways!”

        Exactly! He just won’t give it up…yet. 😉

        “If Oliver and Thea were on Game of Thrones, they would probably already be sleeping together. Jaime/Cersei is the most prominent incestuous pairing from the series, but GRRM the author of the books, writes incredibly shippable siblings, and there at least two other sets of brothers and sisters with overt incestuous behavior. Game of Arrows is the perfect title. I would love it so much if this show took on an aspect of powerful dueling families.”

        Well, we already have the Queens and the Lances. So…come on show! We want ‘Game of Arrows’.

        “I can see how those would work for our ships (particularly the My Girl’s Ex-Boyfriend one). One or two more episodes and there will hopefully be enough scenes for a proper fanvid.”

        And I thought of two others:

        My Boyfriend’s Back – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REeeucZtDY0 – This is so Oliver/Thea it hurts.

        Chlark/Chlois – Return of Superman Trailer – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgyLM9bMb4 – While Oliver is a darker hero than Superman is, the line starting at about 1 minute 25 seconds is just perfect for the hurt Thea felt. And for Lex Luthor, someone could use the actor who played the balding bad guy from the first episode (Brian Markinson I think).

        • Shipcestuous says:

          Did you see that I wrote an entry for episode 4?

          It’s funny that someone on the TWOP Arrow board made a comparison between Oliver and Dexter because I made one in my entry for the 4th episode. Personally, I don’t mind that he’s using more lethal force than what I consider to be necessary, I just like when he’s called out on it. I like that he’s got a very dark/morally grey side. I just need it to be recognized as such from within the show.

          I like hearing your thoughts on the comics and your speculation about where we might be headed, but another reason I was avoiding the TWOP board was because I didn’t want to hear a bunch of comics fans complaining about what had been changed or going on and on about what they hoped they would see. Been there and done that with the Game of Thrones message boards back before I had read the books. I did not enjoy it.

          I think you’re right about why Oliver is doing more killing. I think he definitely still has the survival mentality of the island. That’s something John Diggle is not going to be able to fully understand.

          I’m glad to hear that on the board there is some Felicity support and some people who don’t think that Oliver and Laurel have any chemistry. I wasn’t expecting too many Oliver/Thea supporters, even a couple of offhand remarks about their inordinate amount of chemistry is enough to make me happy. It sounds like a much less scary place than I was fearing. Maybe I’ll have to check it out after all. I don’t know.

    • Paris says:

      The stuff you pick up on! After playing it back you are right how Oliver starts to stumble with what he’s saying less than a second after saying “sister.” It is also odd he says that and not just Thea.

      I think I have seen it all, but I have yet to watch Game of Thrones! I just haven’t had a chance to yet.

  5. Paris says:

    It would be fun if we could have a live chat or something after Arrow airs tonight 🙂

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I would love to do a chat, but I have to download the episode (we don’t have cable at my house and we get very poor reception for that channel), and I usually download it in high-quality, which means a larger file size, which means it takes longer to download. Sometimes it isn’t finished until the middle of the night. I probably won’t be able to watch the episode until tomorrow. Do you usually record it? Because maybe we could try chatting while we rewatch it. Do you have any good ideas for where to chat?

  6. aK says:

    Awesomeness – thanks for this! I was thinking that if you were gonna’ write another ‘Arrow’ post that you’d wait until episode 4 when Ollie and Thea are supposed to have a “late night bonding session” (oh, the naughty thoughts that “Queencest” shippers must have had at reading that ;P) and then maybe mention something about eppy 3. So, thanks for the treat =D

    Have hope: I believe that there’s every possibility that your dream will come to true (well, depending on how long the series runs, which is hopefully for a very long time >___<;;), infinite apologies!

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Well, I was totally unaware until earlier this morning that we will be treated to an Oliver/Thea “late night bonding session” in tonight’s episode. But I’m glad I didn’t wait, because my entry for episode 3 alone was 15 pages in Microsoft Word and 150 images. I can’t think how long an entry covering two episodes would have been! I am looking forward to this delightfully-described scene. Queencest shippers can do a lot with just that description alone. I can’t wait for the AUs after we’ve actually seen it!

      I’m glad you liked it. Thanks, as always, for commenting!

      I’m glad you’re optimistic about my dream. The nice thing about a brother/sister ship on a TV show is that it will be a constant no matter how long the show runs for. So while other ships will have to suffer through love triangles and break ups and silly drama, the brother/sister ship can just stroll right on through, gathering more shippers along the way.

  7. aK says:

    “Wow, my earlier comment submission did not come out right after all o.O I’ll try one more time, but I give up if this fails too :/

    And taking into account that it’s The CW, also the home of ‘Supernatural’, there’s a strong chance that the cast and crew WILL become aware of “Queencest”, and hopefully they’ll play around with it and have as much fun as the ‘Supernatural’ family do humoring their fans 😉

    Yes, Tommy passing Laurel the drink at the club was an adorable scene XD I know they were supposed to be uncomfortable because they knew that Thea knew about them (How? I hope they expand on this; what happened between the three of them in “The 5 Years”), but I kinda’ got the vibe that their discomfort was due to feeling like they were having to witness a spat between lovers. You know, that awkward feeling when you don’t want to see other people’s dirty laundry but they’re airing it right in front of you :/
    Also, when Thea said, “And you’re barely my brother,” I just thought this great for Thea/Ollie shippers, right? That Thea doesn’t really think of Ollie as her brother, at least not right now XD

    There’s a summary for an upcoming episode (I forget which, too lazy to check :P), that depending on how you interpret it, does lend credence to the theory that Thea might have(/had) a crush on Tommy. But we’ll just have to see how that ep goes…

    I very much think Deadshot survived. I hope I don’t sound disrespectful using this to support my statement, but people have attempted suicide by blowing their heads off, only to survive with extremely severe facial trauma. So, arrow through the eye: possibly survivable.

    Also, this is OT, but did you watch the last episode of ‘Homeland’? Knife straight through the hand? Pretty sure that calls for some minor surgery, which I DO NOT think happened. I hope the “victim” does not get a systemic infection! ^^;;

    Awesomeness – thanks for this! Yadda yadda yadda… Have hope: I believe that there’s every possibility that your dream will come to true (well, depending on how long the series runs, which is hopefully for a very long time >__< Is it 'cause it rhymes with giggle? I got all the 'Mr Tickle' jokes on the recent season of 'The Thick of It', but I guess the humor of Dig's name is more subtle? Please do enlighten me! Thanks!!! X)"

    Best regards,
    aK

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Are your comments not appearing? Is that the problem that you’re having? Because that’s actually the way I have the blog set up – I moderate all of the comments: I approve them, and then they get posted. I turned on that setting originally because I wasn’t sure if I would get a bunch of hate. I wanted the blog to be a really positive and supportive place, so I didn’t want a bunch of “ur stupid, yuck incest” comments appearing before I had a chance to delete them. But in the two years that I’ve had, I think I’ve only gotten 2 or 3 comments of that kind, so I think I’m going to go ahead and turn off that setting. Hopefully you won’t have any more problems.

      I did see two comments from you with just the first part of what was in this e-mail.

      Update: OK, I tried to edit your comments to add in what was in this e-mail, and the entire middle part just disappeared. I have no idea what the problem is.

      The showrunners, etc. on the CW do seem to be a little bit more connected with the fans. I don’t know if they’re more likely to be on twitter, or if they go to more cons, or what. But they seem to be more aware of fan feedback than other channels. And they seem to have more fun with it. So I really hope the same is true for Arrow.

      I am dying to know how Thea became aware of Tommy and Laurel’s relationship. Because Laurel has been treating it like a dirty secret, but Thea didn’t just suspect them of sleeping together, she stated it as fact. I’m kind of afraid we’ll never hear more about it. But I really hope that those five years will be filled in not just for Oliver on the island but for all of the other characters as well. As much as I ship Tommy and Laurel and want to hear about how they first started “lapsing”, I’m actually more interested in what Tommy and Thea’s relationship was like during that time.

      I think you are 100% right about Tommy and Laurel feeling uncomfortable because they were witnessing a spat between “lovers”. After Thea told Oliver about their relationship, I think they became uncomfortable about that too, of course. But at first, when they turned around to face the bar and put their backs to Oliver and Thea, it was like they could already sense how intense and awkward it was going to be. I know if I had seen a brother and sister fighting the way they were fighting, staring at each other like that, I would have felt uncomfortable watching it! As close as the three of them are – Tommy, Laurel, and Oliver – Tommy and Laurel did not feel close enough to Oliver to be a part of what was clearly a very intimate conversation between him and Thea. In fact, I didn’t even realize it until right now, but the actual awkwardest part of Oliver and Thea’s conversation was the fact that they had it right in front of Tommy and Laurel.

      I like that Thea’s comment “And you’re barely my brother” was so hurtful to Oliver, and I like that she’s reminding him that she wants to be close to him and he’s pushing her away. But it is impossible for an incest shipper’s mind not to consider the possibility that she’s rejecting the idea of him as a brother altogether because she has unsisterly feelings towards him. Lines like that really make me wonder about the writers. Although I still think the most borderline incest-subtext line to date was when Tommy said, “Have you noticed how hot your sister has gotten?” to Oliver in the pilot.

      I am now eagerly anticipating the episode in which we may learn that Thea had a crush on Tommy. I like not knowing what’s coming for the most part, but if most of you are pretty involved in spoilers, I guess I may have to get with the crowd. I don’t want to be blindly speculating while you all already know what’s going to happen. And I don’t want to not be able to participate in the spoiler speculation discussions. I guess my biggest problem with spoilers is that I spend more time thinking about what’s coming rather than reflecting on what I just watched. And sometimes you end up disappointed. Decisions, decisions.

      I agree, Deadshot is most likely still alive. An arrowhead is much bigger than a bullet, but I guess it didn’t go as deep as some bullets have gone into the brains of people who have survived that, so I suppose it’s possible. But whether I think a person shot in the eye with an arrow would survive in real life, I definitely think that Deadshot will be back. I’ve become more and more convinced of that since I first wrote that paragraph in my recap.

      I did see Homeland. It does seem like a wound like that would require significant medical care. They probably gave him some stitches, but I guess depending on where the wound was, he might have needed more than that. I think what’s-his-face (Peter?) who stabbed him might have known the best spot to do it, though.

      There’s no joke or reference as to why I find the last name “Diggle” so funny. I just think it sounds really, really funny. Don’t worry, I’m probably the only one. But I am still amused by it. Diggle. Giggle. Jiggle. Muggle. I don’t know. It’s just one of those letter combinations in English that seems humorous somehow.

      I’m going to post all of this in the comments because I want everyone to see your ideas about the lovers spat!

      • aK says:

        Thanks for taking the time to try to figure out what was wrong and fix it. Maybe it’s something about my account setting? I need my own Felicity Smoak! X|
        Btw, I recommend that you continue moderating comments and not change that setting. I’ve seen the weird posts people submit at other places, e.g. ads to marry millionaires (I would seriously consider the offer if it were Tommy or Ollie though :P), etc. ^^;;
        “What’s-his-face” on ‘Homeland’ is named Peter Quinn actually. Before I knew the spelling, I thought that it was quite a coincidence to have another “Queen” on TV. Still, close enough 😉
        Not sure if you’ve watched episode 4 yet, so I won’t comment on it. Just that DIGGLE (did you laugh ;P) is cool in it ;D

        • Shipcestuous says:

          I did laugh!

          I still haven’t watched the episode, for various reasons. Plus I know that when I watch it, I’ll have to wait so long for the next one. I’m all about delayed gratification.

          Yes, we need Felicity Smoak in here to fix our tech problems! It could be related to your account settings. I really have no idea. I wondered if maybe you used too many symbols, or something? Maybe it got confused and thought you were doing some HTML or something? I don’t know. But then this comment worked just fine.

          WordPress has a really good spam filter – it always catches the comments that aren’t real. So my moderation is mostly just to catch really hateful comments. I think I’m going to leave the setting on for now, just because it’s a lot easier for me to respond to new comments and then get them out of my inbox. It’s just an easier system.

    • Paris says:

      I particularly loved this club scene because it was so awkward for Laurel and Tommy. That is exactly what I thought while watching this scene, that their discomfort was due to feeling like they were having to witness a spat between lovers.

  8. darkahsoka says:

    Awesome! Just found your blog here. I missed the first three episodes of Arrow due to work, and this weekend I sat down and watched all three, and have been casting my net on the internet to find other people who totally see the Ollie/Thea thing. Dang, they sizzle up the screen with chemistry whenever they’re in a scene together. Thanks for posting this – amusing and entertaining reviews like this are what I very much love, and your collection of pics and GIFs from various places is awesome. Can’t wait for episode 4 (unfortunately work again, can’t see it till tomorrow)

    Oh, by the way I saw a few comments (Can’t remember if they were yours of other commenters) about IMDB – great news, Willa Holland is credited with 7 episodes onf TV.com (as are the rest of the folks there like Laurel I’m assuming those are just the named ones released now as the series got picked up for a full season). So, she’ll be around for a good while, it seems like! Sometimes IMDB is just really slow in updating stuff like that.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Thank you!!! And welcome! I’m always glad to encounter another Oliver/Thea shipper, and it pleases me even more that you’ve enjoyed my recaps. I really appreciate you mentioning the GIFs because that’s the most painstaking part of the process, but I’ve always felt that visual aids are imperative. Plus it’s almost like watching those scenes all over again on repeat. It’s a great way to pick up the subtleties of their expressions and movements. The slow motion ones are helpful too, like the part where Oliver tries to pull Thea out of the club and she throws his hands off of her.

      I won’t be watching episode 4 until very very late tonight or tomorrow, so you’re not the only one who will be waiting. I’m used to being behind because I live on the West Coast. For me, if I’m going to be three hours later anyway, I might as well watch it when it suits me best.

      Yay! I think we can finally put our fears about Willa Holland being killed off or not being included in several episodes out of our heads. Thanks for that info!

  9. redbanker says:

    OMG!!! Did you watch last nights episode yet!!! I won’t spoil you in case you didn’t, my comments are posted on the LJ and I’d love to hear your thoughts. Mainly because I need to someone else to rant with me. LOL. There’s going to be some serious writing done this week and next I can tell.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      I haven’t seen it yet. I have an obligation this morning and I want to rewatch 1.03 first, but I’m hoping to have enough time for all of that this afternoon. When I finally have enough time I plan on perusing everything on the LJ. I’ve been dying to read your fanfics.

      I’m excited!!!

  10. redbanker says:

    Okay I’m dying to know if you’ve watched “An Innocent Man” yet. I can’t wait to get your take on it. I just finished posting the third and final chapter to my story “What Is Will Always Be” which is my AU take on the episode. I hope we get more to work with next week.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Yes, I’ve seen it. I have a lot of thoughts, most of them negative, unfortunately. But an Oliver/Laurel-heavy episode was bound to come along sooner or later. I am also not a fan of the cliffhanger. It’s not what I wanted for the show, although I do have to admire have fast things are moving. I will probably do another entry for the episode. Not because there’s a lot to talk about, but because I think we all need some positive shipper spin right now.

  11. Paris says:

    The latest episode wasn’t as OMG worthy ship wise but the one scene was worth it. Does everyone remember when they really saw and became a fan of this ship. Was it right from episode 1? I think it was as soon as I saw the “welcome home” scene and how drawn out that was I got excited. I thought maybe I just got lucky with episode 2. I knew there must be other awesome people out there that saw this happening every week after episode 3 and that intense club scene & “are you ok?” scene. I am glad I found all of you! We have to keep shipping it!

  12. gold price says:

    So remember last week when Oliver got shot with the arrow in the flashback by the guy in green? This week, that guy was taking care of him in the flashback. He gave Oliver some grass to eat to counteract the poison in his system (Hence, how Oliver knew how to treat the bullet poison) and then he yanked the arrow out of Oliver and that looked like it hurt. Later, he had Oliver in some kind of net and lowered him down and warned him the island wasn’t safe. I’m going to assume this guy is important somehow and it’s just my comics’ ignorance that stops me from understanding why.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      It seems to me that he’ll be training Oliver quite a bit. I’m not familiar with the comics either, but that’s my guess. Since Oliver’s Green Arrow costume is clearly inspired by him. He’s going to teach Oliver how to “survive”, but probably even more than that.

  13. James says:

    This is an old post, but I thought it was worth mentioning that your picture of Thea here that points out her visible bra underneath her shirt is on the top line of Google Image Search results when you search for the phrase “Thea Queen.” Hopefully some people looking for hot pictures of her saw the page link and were converted to the wonderfulness of Queencest, haha.

    • Shipcestuous says:

      Wow, I just went and checked. It wasn’t on the first line for me, but it was on the second line which is just as good. It’s still one of the first things you see. And some of the other top hits were screencaps of mine, though not in the first couple of rows. I always try and name the image files effectively in the hope that they’ll come up for image searches. Most of the visits to my blog come from image searches, so I’ve really tried to take advantage of that. But coming up so soon in a search for Thea Queen is really fantastic. I wonder how it works. I mean, why that picture, LOL! Though I suppose that might get a person interested.

      I hate the changes that google images has made. The old way brought a lot more people to the blog and it was more effective for me when I search.

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