Lord Byron/Augusta

9744725_17387nothumb650I don’t know very much about the 19th century poet Lord Byron, so this will not have much of a historical perspective, and is mostly about the 2003 movie Byron. But it was rumored, during this lifetime, and continues to be a theory today, that he had an incestuous affair with his half-sister Augusta. (She was the daughter of his father’s first wife, and was five years older than him. They did not grow up together – Augusta was raised by her grandmother and other friends and relatives after her mother died. But they knew each other.) It is even rumored that one of Augusta’s children, Elizabeth Medora Leigh, was actually fathered by Byron and not by her husband. I don’t know very much about where these rumors or the evidence for these theories comes from, but apparently Byron went to visit Augusta and the newly-born Medora and wrote in a latter to a friend, “Oh, but it is not an ape, and it is worth while”, which, if he really did write that, seems pretty conclusive to me. I gather Medora is the name of a character from a poem written by Byron during a period of weeks when he and Augusta were trapped together at his home by snow.2053277,fFNGFH_lSKjvm5gTl5LE3ipnvlMsgqJJ5oLNo0Q+uS1YQkfucX_Bf9LIirBGLfOGWhKMw_OUhUtlDdGRWW3BLA==

It would seem they grew to be very close, whether it was an incestuous relationship or not. They wrote a lot of letters to each other, and Bryon’s only legitimate daughter (with his wife Annabella) was named Ada Augusta. Also, Bryon wrote “Stanzas to Augusta” and “Epistle to Augusta”. They are not considered to be major works by him, but it’s possible the rumors of incest are one of the reasons why they are not particularly popular compared to some of his other products. I won’t set about interpreting them, except to say they make it obvious that he loves her very much.

Oh, blest be thine unbroken light!
That watched me as a seraph’s eye,
And stood between me and the night,
For ever shining sweetly nigh. (from “Stanzas”)

My sister! my sweet sister! if a name
Dearer and purer were, it should be thine;
Mountains and seas divide us, but I claim
No tears, but tenderness to answer mine:
Go where I will, to me thou art the same –
A loved regret which I would not resign.
There yet are two things in my destiny, –
A world to roam through, and a home with thee. (from “Epistles”)

(brb crying)

I don’t know for myself, but according to this anon, most movies about Byron either exclude Augusta, or exclude the incest. The exception seems to be Byron (2003), a British made-for-tv two-part miniseries starring Jonny Lee Miller as Byron and Natasha Little as Augusta. I recently watched it and can confirm that Byron/Augusta was canon as canon can be (in fact, a very fine example of it), and that the miniseries itself was good.

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Olympian Gods + Movies + Incest + Ships

Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief

Athena, Zeus, and Poseidon in Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief

I recently rewatched Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief, and was struck for the first time by the relationship between Poseidon and Athena. (Yes, I’m sorry, once again this post is not strictly brother/sister.) This got me thinking about their relationship in other movies, and when I started discussing that, I inevitably began reviewing other relevant relationships in those movies, and so this is too long and a giant mess. And it’s full of ships that are based on wisps of nothing.

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Mr. Robot – Elliot/Darlene

I received a lot of messages about the surprise canon incest in Mr. Robot, so I know a lot of you watch it, but for those of you who don’t, let me start off by recommending the show itself. It is very good. It’s smart, it’s modern and topical, it’s stylized, it is well-planned, and compelling. The incest definitely provided some impetus for me, but all the good things I was hearing is the main reason why I decided to watch, and I definitely do not regret it.

Mr. Robot has aired 8 episodes of its first season so far, two more until the finale. (It was renewed for a second season before it had even premiered.) I’m a bit wary, writing anything about such a crazy series, right in the middle of a crazy revelation, before the season finale. But… I did it anyway. I hope people looking back on this from the future will be forgiving.

It centers on Elliot Alderson (Rami Malek), our narrator, a hacker who gets involved with a group called fsociety that is attempting to take down the largest corporation in the world – the corrupt E Corp. Elliot has some mental and social issues and he’s very lonely. During the day he works at a cyber-security firm with his best friend from childhood, Angela. He also has a psychiatrist, Krista, and an antagonist of sorts, Tyrell Wellick, who is an executive at the aforementioned corporation. He has a morphine addiction, and has a friends-with-benefits arrangement with his drug dealer Shayla. The rest of the cast are members of fsociety – the enigmatic Mr. Robot (Christian Slater), the saucy Darlene, and a few other quirky characters.

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The Judge


So scarlettwittch on tumblr informed me that the movie The Judge had canon uncle/niece incest in it, and I am eternally grateful. Because it sure did, and it was delightful. I also have to say that I really enjoyed the movie a lot.

I know this isn’t brother/sister. In fact, I’d basically totally forgotten that this blog was supposed to be brother/sister only, because my tumblr isn’t restricted to brother/sister.  I am very sorry!

Robert Downey Jr. plays Hank Palmer, a successful city lawyer who returns to his Indiana hometown (for the first time in 20+ years?) when his mother dies. While he’s there, his father is arrested for murder, and so Hank extends his stay and takes up his father’s defense.



tj (1)He has become estranged from his family – including his two brothers Glen and Dale – and a lot of the movie is about him reconnecting with them, his hometown (which he has developed a lot of contempt for), and his high school girlfriend Sam (played by Vera Farmiga!).



Not long after Hank arrives in town, he and his brothers go out for drinks at a bar, and Hank finds the young bartender Carla (played by Leighton Meester) to be VERY attractive.

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Bart/Cindy Quotes From Seeds of Yesterday

I enjoyed immensely Bart and Cindy in Lifetime’s Seeds of Yesterday, the 4th and final installment in their Flowers in the Attic/Dollanganger movie series, adapted from the book series by V.C. Andrews.

I had not read beyond the first book, but the movie adaptations did such a good job of making the series appeal to me more than it ever had before that I’ve recently read them all.

Lamentably, Bart and Cindy are not canon in the book the way they are in the movie adaptation (four for you, Lifetime), but it’s still a very suggestive relationship and I kept track of quotes about their relationship as I was reading along.

(Of course I immensely enjoyed Cathy and Chris as well, but that’s for another time.)

If you’re interested in more Bart/Cindy, here is my tag for them on my tumblr.

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Canon brother/sister incest in Call Me Fitz – totally consensual, and neither one dies!

YOU READ THAT RIGHT, friends. This is a rare gem. RING A DING DING. Come hear the banjo play.

01 Call Me Fitz PosterFirst I want to thank lorasyrels for making such a helpful list of incest recs. I never would have seen Call Me Fitz if it weren’t for that list.

I also want to say that I’ve uploaded all of the relevant scenes, either to be watched in a playlist here or you can download a zip with all of the .avi files here.

Call Me Fitz is a ½ hour comedy that ran for four seasons on HBO Canada. (I can find no official announcement about its ending – every site seems to list it as current, and yet the last episode was over a year ago. In my opinion, the show has ended, and  it was planned. The last episode worked perfectly as a series finale in several ways, and the other season finales had cliffhangers and nothing conclusive about them. And also because there is no information about a fifth season being in the works, which there would be by now.)

In the tradition of U.S. HBO anything goes with the language, the content is rated H for “holy crap” and the story is told in a serial rather than episodic format.

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The Secret of Moonacre

The Secret of Moonacre was recommended to me last week by an Anon who should be honored and praised.

It’s basically Beauty and the Beast, if the beast were Belle’s uncle.

This is not a brother/sister ship, and so it shouldn’t really be on this blog, but the truth is that I forgot that this blog was titled shipping brother/sister incest until after I published, because I have not restricted myself in that way on my tumblr. So I apologize.

The Secret of Moonacre is based on a novel from the 40’s and it’s very much in the same vein as The Secret Garden or The Secret of Roan Inish. And I’m not just saying that because it has “secret” in the title. It’s a fantasy/period (19th century) movie about Maria Merryweather (Dakota Blue Richards), who at age 13 becomes an orphan and goes to live with the reclusive, grumpy uncle she has never met, Sir Benjamin Merryweather (Ioan Gruffudd). the secret of moonacre maria benjamin merryweather dakota blue richards ioan gruffudd (1)the secret of moonacre maria benjamin merryweather dakota blue richards ioan gruffudd (3)

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Curfew/Before I Disappear


Curfew is a short film (20 min.) that won the Academy Award in 2012.

It’s about Richie (Shawn Christensen, also the writer and director), a young man on the verge of suicide who receives a desperate call from his estranged sister Maggie – a single mother – asking him to watch his niece Sophia (9) for a few hours. Richie agrees, and he and Sophia form a deep bond during their time together. Maggie is dismissive when Richie brings Sophia home at the end, and Richie contemplates suicide again, but a final call from her tentatively asking Richie to be a part of their lives again brings him back.


It was adapted into a full-length feature called Before I Disappear that came out this year.

Shawn Christensen writes/directs/stars again, and Sophia is played by the same actress – Fatima Ptacek. (She’s 11 in this one.) Emmy Rossum joins as Maggie, and Paul Wesley, Ron Perlman, Richard Schiff, and Fran Kranz play some of the new characters in this expansion of the story.


Since the film is 5x the length of the short you can imagine that a lot had to be added in (and some small things changed), but it’s still essentially the same story.

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The Color Wheel

Management business first:

I have to apologize yet again for how long it has been since my last post on this blog, particularly since my last post of any substance. My excuses are the usual ones – a lot of enormous projects in the works, all incomplete – and various irrelevant distractions. Those of you who hang out there realize that the tumblr associated with this blog is now the true home of my incest shipping activity, and this wordpress is designated for long, detailed, essay-like commentaries. Tumblr has its disadvantages – and they are many – but it has proven to be the best platform for small daily updates and especially for communal interaction.

I’m slowly making the tumblr more navigable, and I plan to have easy, helpful links up very soon to help interested parties keep track of posts about their favorite ships and to find new titles that appeal to them. It is my hope that particularly those of you who do not like tumblr will be able to find what you want quickly without having to deal too much with everything else. I’ll post an update here on the wordpress once that undertaking has reached a satisfying level of usability/completion.

In the meantime, while the ship-specific tag pages and the “incestlopedia” are not up yet, my general tags page is functional, and the links on there will take you straight to recommendations, commentary posts, message/recommendation follow ups, etc., – everything you might want to check out without having to wade through yet another Klaus/Rebekah gifset.

tumblr_inline_n9r48gy4cM1raz8h1Introduction to The Color Wheel:

Some gift-to-mankind of an anon recommended a movie called The Color Wheel a few weeks back. I followed up on the recommendation a day or two later – hoping to like it, of course, but without terribly high expectations. Well, to say I loved it is a comical understatement. I’ve watched it about eight times – I’ve lost count, to tell the truth, and it’ll be a bigger number soon enough – and it has become one of my favorite movies ever.

The Color Wheel is an indie comedy from 2011 filmed in a nostalgic black and white style about two siblings – J.R. and her younger brother Colin – whose lives are one big failure, and who can’t stand each other about as much as no one else can stand either of them. After J.R.’s boyfriend/former professor kicks her out, she asks Colin to go on a short road trip with her to help her move her things. They’re forced to confront the bad decisions that they’ve made,  the reality of where they’re at in their lives, and the fact that maybe they actually get along pretty well.


*cough incest cough*

This movie is the whole package. As I lay out in this post, it fulfills every criteria one could possibly hope to find in their dream incest movie. 

I had a request for a breakdown of the scene that leads up to the climax of the movie – namely the consummation of J.R. and Colin’s growing incestuous attraction. So I’ve written it up and I’m publishing it on here since it’s a little lengthy. This is not an analysis of the entire film, just of that one scene. Without the context of the rest of the movie, it’s not going to mean very much. I wholeheartedly recommend this movie to everyone interested in canon incest, so I very much encourage you to watch it.

I wrote this post right after I watched it for the first time and it offers some more non-spoilery details about what to expect from the movie. For those of you who have seen it, this is my tag for commentary of Colin and J.R.’s relationship, and there are a handful of posts in the tag that discuss other parts of the movie (some of them somewhat in depth) in addition to the scene I’m going to analyze below. So even though this post only deals with one scene, there is plenty of other commentary about J.R. to be found on the tumblr.

“Sounds like your kind of guy”:1I was deeply flattered and more than happy to oblige the lovely anon who requested a breakdown of the scene leading up to JR and Colin’s epically epic make out session. I wouldn’t normally feel the need to write any commentary on a pairing that ends up together and so clearly needed to, but The Color Wheel is sometimes so delightfully subtle and with a great movie and a great pairing like this, there’s nothing more fun than teasing out some of the indicators and details from their journey of coming together. The Color Wheel is perfection, if I haven’t made that clear yet, and since my idea of perfection involves a long, winding road, that means there’s plenty to analyze along the way.

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22 Reasons Why We Ship Incest

One of my lovely tumblr anonymice recently asked me, “Why do you think people ship incest?” And I thought a big question deserved a big answer, so I spent some time pondering the subject, reviewing my discussions with other shippers, and muckraking in the frightening depths of my twisted mind, and I’ve come up with 22 whys and wherefores.

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